Talk:Ron Luce
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...Should the fact that he was appointed to an office by Bush be mentioned in the George W. Bush article?
This guy is a real-life Hitler type. The rhetoric is exactly the same, except it's aimed at liberals, not Jews. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.169.154 (talk) 00:46, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Well he is no different then hardcore liberals, Communists, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists etc.... Welcome to the club I guess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.0.162.137 (talk) 14:00, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
Indeed, but extremism of any kind is a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.169.154 (talk) 01:35, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
If you don't stand for anything, you'll fall for everything. I have attended two BattleCry events so far and I must say it has only helped me in my relationship with Christ. I am more committed to my God and his people. We have our views and will push them in the same way that liberal views have been pushed on us. Besides, you wouldn't call MTV or a Pussycat Dolls music video even slightly extreme? (Sethc87 (talk) 13:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC))
Like it says at the top of this page: "This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Ron Luce article. This is not a forum for general discussion about the article's subject." Mike Doughney (talk) 14:26, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Metaphorical claims" characterization of new quotes from CNN "God's Warriors"
An earlier contributor used the term "metaphorical claims" to characterize the quotations of Ron Luce from the CNN pieces. While Luce has characterized the individual words "war" and "battle" as metaphors at the beginning of the ironically named "[This Is] A Real War" chapters in two of his books, there is nothing to indicate that the claims made in that interview are intended by Luce to in any way be understood merely as metaphorical abstractions. In fact, in "Battle Cry for My Generation," in a section titled "the real effects of this war" (page 74) Luce puts forward what is perhaps the crux of his militaristic argument: "Are you still skeptical this is a real war? Maybe you're thinking, in a real war, people die. OK. Well, in this war, people are dying too. Think about the number of abortions that happen each year. ...each year 750,000 people lose their lives in abortions from teenagers alone." Such claims (in this case, a claim of fetal personhood) result in real consequences outside any merely metaphorical realm; such rhetoric has been put forward as a justification of anti-abortion terrorism in North America for decades. Absent any citation of Luce himself specifically characterizing these claims as "metaphorical" I've dropped the "metaphorical claims" wording in recent edits. Mike Doughney 03:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
- If there is a reliable source for them being "metaphorical claims" then it can be returned, together with the cite. Without a third party reference, it stays gone. (i.e. I concur). LessHeard vanU 11:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
