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1 Lancer not LanceR
2 Golden age
3 Helicopters
4 Aviaţie Şcoala de Legătură

[edit] Lancer not LanceR

Official site of Romanian Air Force call Romanian MiG-21s Lancer not LanceR. I don't see any reason for entering new name which is not confirmed by official source. --Piotr Mikołajski 14:29, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

You can check on the RoAF site when you enter the inventory section. On the MoD official site it's called 'LanceR' not 'Lancer'.--Eurocopter tigre 17:07, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Would this be an accepatable solution? The Lancer (sometimes spelled LanceR) - BillCJ 16:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Bill's suggestion is a good one. The "LanceR" formulation (the 'R' = 'Romania') is used pretty much only in Romania, and, if I remember correctly, was not an original rendering, but one created later. I believe it is now official, though. Askari Mark (Talk) 14:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golden age

...between the world wars. That section mentions the Warsaw Pact - this didn't exist at that time! Actually, the whole section is wrong - it doesn't mention the IAR 11, 12, 14 etc and other planes of the period, but mentions the German planes which entered service AFTER WW2 already started.

I corrected the sentence with Warsaw Pact countries. Regarding those types of aircraft, please feel free to make insertions in the section. --Eurocopter tigre 20:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

OK - thanks. However almost the entire section is still wrong. Those planes, including IAR80 were in service AFTER the war already started. They had nothing to do with this so called Golden Age. What is the statement "The RoAF was subject to re-organisation, over 2,000 military and civil aircraft were built in Romania within 18 years based on own or licensed designs" based on? I am not saying is wrong, but it has to be backed up by the source. About the inter-wars period - I don't have information of what was used or not - just what I remember from the number of books that mention RoAF. I remember names like AVRO, SET, the use of French, Polish and British aircraft.

Mentioning the Warsaw pact in a period it didn't exist gives the impression of clumsy reporting - why is important to mention WP here? It doesn't make sense to me - I now expect a following sentence that makes the reference relevant - this doesn't happen. I suggest removal of that reference.

"Golden age" seems POV, it might be better to rephrase it, perhaps to "Interwar years". --Victor12 17:37, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Helicopters

I doubt Romania had any Mi-2 helicopters. I know for sure it had Mi-1 though...

[edit] Aviaţie Şcoala de Legătură

What is the English translation of this? I know all of it but the "Legătură". Thanks, Askari Mark (Talk) 14:12, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Legătură means connection, (in this context it means the connection courses between trainer aircraft and fighters). So, the exact translation would be "Connection Aviation School", but I don't know the equivalent. --Eurocopter tigre 15:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I got that from an online translator, but it didn't seem to fit (and those things are notoriously bad anyway). From its equipment (Iak-52) I suppose it was a "Primary" Aviation School? That seems to me to be the closest thing, "connecting" grading and basic training. Askari Mark (Talk) 17:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that school teaches students to make the step from an advanced jet trainer to a fighter aircraft (in RoAF case from L-39/IAR-99 to MiG-21 LanceR). --Eurocopter tigre 21:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I thought that conversion was done at the Air Force Application School ‘Aurel Vlaicu’ (S.A.p.F.A.) at Boboc. Askari Mark (Talk) 23:16, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That's incorrect. Also the unit you mentioned, Grupul Aviaţie Şcoala de Legătură was disbanded in 2004. So the unit responsible for this step is Centrul 95 Trecere pe Avioane Supersonice (95th Centre for Transition to Supersonic aircraft). The other educational units of the RoAF are the Academia Forţelor Aeriene "Henri Coanda" ("Henri Coanda" Air Force Academy - at Braşov) and Şcoala de Aplicaţie pentru Forţele Aeriene "Aurel Vlaicu" ("Aurel Vlaicu" Application School for the Air Force - at Boboc). --Eurocopter tigre 14:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I’ve figured out where my source went wrong. It had primary training being conducted in the early 1990s by the Institutul Militar de Aviaţie “Aurel Vlaicu” at Boboc and supplemented by Yak-52s operating at Focşani (BA 19) – which is where the Av.S. Legătură was located. The Yak-52s there were then, I suppose, a detachment from the IMA “Aurel Vlaicu”, but the source must have assumed they belonged to the Av.S. Legătură.

I’m still a bit confused, though. Focşani was closed in 2001, so wouldn’t the Av.S. Legătură have been closed earlier than 2004? One source I’ve read says that it was disbanded in late 2002 and its aircraft were transferred to the S.A.p.F.A. at Boboc in Oct. 2003. If the Av.S. Legătură was a jet conversion unit (equipped with, I presume, L-29 and L-39 and perhaps IAR-99 at some point), then its equipment would have gone to the Centrul 95 Trecere pe Avioane Supersonice at Bacău – which was already extant (although under a slightly different name before 2001) and operating MiG-21s. Any insight into this transition process? Thanks, Askari Mark (Talk) 19:29, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know exactly when was the ASL disbanded, but in 2004 it didn't exist anymore. The aircraft from ASL were certainly transfered to Boboc [this being a weird thing for me, and I don't know exactly which was the role of the ASL, or what transitions/connections were actually made there - maybe it was for the transition between Yak-52s and jet aircraft (L-29/39 or IAR-99)]. --Eurocopter tigre 22:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Do you know anyone who might know? Almost nothing turns up on the internet on the ASL (in English or Romanian) and half the Google hits I got were officers' resumes. I'm trying to sort this out so I can add a section on training here. TIA, Askari Mark (Talk) 22:22, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Sincerely, I don't know anybody who is familiar with the RoAF, as I wrote alone almost the entire article. If you make a training section, which would be very welcome, you could mention only the three educational/training units currently active mentioned above. --Eurocopter tigre 10:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)