Talk:Roma in Spain
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Well the Library of Congress Country Studies has wrong information which i have had to edit..--Burgas00 14:44, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Andalusian Spanish
Why do most, if not all, Roma in Spain speak Andalusian Spanish even outside Andalusia? Do they all originate or have roots in this region? --Guzman ramirez 18:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Not really. Some are of Andalusian origin and hence speak Andalusian, others speak with a "Gitano accent" but not Andalusian, some speak with the local accent (see Peret) and some you won't know that they are Gitanos in superficial contact. It can be that you live in a neighborhood or region with lots of Andalusian immigration. --Error 23:52, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Yes I agree, come to think of it. There is a Gitano accent which is distinct. Nevertheless it sounds to me like it is very much influenced by or even based on the Andalusian one. Albeit, I have never heard a Galician or Asturian Gitano, so I dont know how they would speak... I wouldnt say Peret speaks with a Catalan accent though. --Guzman ramirez 12:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Los gitanos asturianos hablan prácticamente igual que los del "resto" de España. Tienen el mismo acento particular, completamente diferente al habla típica asturiana. 81.9.221.231 21:21, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnic slurs...
I can't imagine the comment below on the article (and a similar one later one) is a unbiased "fact", but is rather an unsubstantied ethnic slur. I think it needs to be reverted/changed, but I am not an expert on the Roma in Spain so don't feel qualified. Perhaps someone else can help.
"Many of them took up a sedentary form of life, stealing from respectful citizens. Although rich yet largely illiterate, they were usually hostile and offensive toward Spanish society." Gmot 17:54, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Go ahead and take it out; no matter what truth there is in those 2 sentences (doubtful, but possible), there isn't any way this could be considered "encyclopedic". Common sense should rule here. +ILike2BeAnonymous 19:56, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
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- Sounds reasonable - I've done that.Gmot 22:48, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
Could you consider them ethnically Spanish?
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- No, ethnically they are considered "Chachos" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.84.69.160 (talk) 21:48, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Húngaros"??
"Spanish Roma are usually divided into two main groups: gitanos and húngaros (for Hungarians)."
It's the very first time in my entire life I hear of this. I think it's false; citation needed urgently. I've heard of "zíngaro" as a sinonym of Gipsy, althought not an "exact" sinonym but one wich tends to be more kind and with less "negative connotations" that "gitano". But "húngaros"? No way; nobody says that here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.123.158.114 (talk) 21:38, 2 April 2007 (UTC).
never heard of the singer "la Húngara"?:-)--Guzman ramirez 22:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
I guess zíngaro comes from French Tsigane. They must represent the minority of Roma in Spain which are of Sinti or Manouche origin as opposed to local origin.--Guzman ramirez 11:29, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- In San Sebastián, there is a festival in which the locals dress "Gypsy-style" (in Basque buhameak, from "Bohemia") as the nomad tinkerers and traders coming from France. --Error 02:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] From Africa or branched of through Europe?
I'd like to see the records saying that the Gitanos (Spanish Roms) entered Spain via Africa. I personally find it hard to accept this as I see too many similarities between the Spanish Roms and European groups such as the Romanichal of England. Its as though they split from one branch.
I feel any influence from African would have come via ethnic Moors and Berbers living in Spain alongside Roms.
In addition to this the Spanish Roms call themselves Cale (Kahl-eh) which is also a title used by Welsh Romanichal as well as some other Romani groups in Europe. The Romani title 'Kale' is either from the Romani word Kalo (m) Kali (f) Kale (p) meaning 'black' or it is from the Sanskrit (from which Romani originates) Kule / kula meaning 'race, family, lineage family'.
When looking at the Nomadic groups of North Africa then the only Romani groups living there arrived in later times via Europe and there are no remnance from a Romani people ever travelling there during a time prior to their appearance in Spain.
There are Domari nomadic groups living in some parts of North Africa who branched off from Islamic Asian nomads but these people are of no relation to the Romani speaking Gitanos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.227.166 (talk) 15:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I wouldnt say there is no relation between Domari and Romani. Both languages are closely related, even if the two groups migrated from India at different times. Some Roma must have entered Spain from the North. However, it is surprising that aroun 50% of Roma in Spain are concentrated in the southern region of Andalusia. Their culture, music and customs is also quite distinct from European Gypsies. I see little similarity in any way with the Romnichal of England.
Nevertheless, although there are some Roma in Morocco, they are strongly Andalusian and, although they are fluent in Arabic, their mother language remains Spanish. I assume they came to Morocco from Spain perhaps during the Spanish mandate over northern morocco. --Guzman ramirez 11:27, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have sources around but I have read that some of the Berber tribes are of Gypsy origin. --Error 02:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Real Gitanos are Semitics who came to Europe from Egypt,Israel or Morocco.. many people with "ethnic" east Indian blood are calling themselves gypsies because the Indian blood both groups share Came from a nomadic Indian group..for me I don't see the Italian,Persian,Aryan,Indo-European,Eurasians..whatever group you wish to call them as being real Gitanos. --Lupe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.32.38.192 (talk) 18:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Paco de Lucía, gitano?
Paco de Lucía isn't "gitano". Check it yourselves. I'd correct it myself but I've never edited wikipedia and I'm neither fluent in english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.26.5.150 (talk) 04:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
