Talk:Rolls-Royce plc

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This is confusing - I just ended up on the Rolls-Royce plc page and it mentioned no military engine since the Merlin. So I added a bit - not enough I'll guarantee but a start.

Soarhead77 15:41, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


Why have we got two articles, Rolls-Royce and Rolls-Royce plc with a lot of common material. but neither being at all definitive. No mention here for instance of the very important merger with Bristol-Siddeley in 1966. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Linuxlad (talk • contribs) 20:22, 25 November 2004 (UTC)

No longer applies. Mark83 13:16, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Unreferenced material

I have reverted several instances of unreferenced and potentially libelous material (concerning corporate corruption and bribery) which were added by the following IP addresses:

This material is not suitable for wikipedia; it should be removed on sight unless sufficient references and corroboration is provided. Other Rolls-Royce articles may be similarly targeted. -- MightyWarrior 14:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Is this the material that was posted?

"Rolls Royce pays millions of Dollars a year in secret corruption and slush funds to help sell their aero engines to airlines that will be "advised" (or forced!) by those receiving the secret slush funds. Just one example is that Tommy Suharto (son of the ex-Indonesian president) was given about 20 million dollars and a new blue Rolls Royce car by Rolls Royce (before he was jailed for murder!) to force the Indonesian airline Garuda to take the R-R Trent 700 engine on the A330 aircraft they were buying. They got a really bad commercial deal and the follow-on warranty and support was probably the worst any operator had ever had. When Tommy was jailed, Rolls then paid his millionaire friend, Soetikno about 1 million dollars a year! This was supported by the Rolls exec in Indonesia (Dr Mike Gray) because Mike was given "personal benefit" by Soetikno to keep the contract going. Mike even used RR staff to support the bar girl he was "knocking off" when his wife was away.

Lots more to come!

Dick Taylor. (ex Rolls-Royce Chief Service Rep)"

Even if this material is referenced and corroborated, the nature of the material is not suited for inclusion in this entry. Perhaps a brief note about its corporate practices with a link to a separate entry where the details may appear. One sentence should do it. Those who may be interested to learn about corporate corrupt practices may go further but not everyone will be interested. What big business isn't guilty of it. It is old news. FC

[edit] Bankruptcy or Receivership?

RR is commonly said to have gone bankrupt in 1971. However, strictly speaking it went into receivership - only individuals and partnerships can go bankrupt - see Bankruptcy article. As an encyclopedia, should we not be using the correct term rather than the commonly-used incorrect one? Any views??--JCG33 16:18, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Modified the relevant text. Please feel free to be bold and change the text where you consider it necessary – if you do happen to get it wrong, a consensus will hopefully emerge to put it right! -- MightyWarrior 13:41, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spellings

On 24 April 07 Wjcollier07 changed lots of spellings from UK to US English. The Manual of Style says that this should not be done unless there is a compelling reason to do so. What reason can there be, particularly as Rolls-Royce is a British company? Some spellings are now plain wrong: eg the Ministry of Defense doesn't exist!

I vote we go back to UK spellings. Any views? --JCG33 21:57, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I have no doubt the user in question was acting in good faith, however they showed a glaring misunderstanding/ignorance of policy. I have reverted. Mark83 23:42, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox flags

Actually FLAGCRUFT says flags may be used, not should WP:FLAG is far more specific:

  • Flags "[Should] Help the reader rather than decorate - Flag icons are commonly misused as decoration. Adding a country's flag next to its name does not provide additional encyclopedic information in a general context, and is often simply distracting. Wikipedia generally strongly eschews the use of images for decorative purposes, preferring those that provide additional essential information or needed illustration."

Thanks for leaving off the flags. - BillCJ 16:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Many people outside of the UK, and some inside, do not recognise the UK as a country and are confused about it (various surveys, including one conducted by a UK national newspaper in the USA that gave results saying that the UK is in the Middle East). Many people think of the UK as being England, which is obviously incorrect. Stating England instead of the UK would also be incorrect as England is not a sovereign nation. Adding the Union Flag gives people an additional iconic symbol to associate with the UK that is probably far better known than the UK or the United Kingdom. Because we, the writers of the encyclopaedia, know the difference between the UK and England and know where the UK is, does not mean that we should presume (wrongly) that other people also know this information. Looking at the article with a flag in place, it makes it easier for the casual reader to scan the page for info without reading. Visual aids should not be dismissed. Furthermore, a flag will mean a degree of consistency with other companies.Darkieboy236 16:59, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Although WP:FLAG isn't an official policy. WP:FLAG states right up at the top: "Flag icons may be appropriate in infoboxes to indicate nationality...." Later it says flag icons shouldn't be repeated in infoboxes, implying that their use in infoboxes is acceptable. Furthermore, as far as governments are concerned (especially the U.S. government), corporations are treated like citizens in most respects, and given most of the same rights, except for the right to vote. As such, corporations have nationalities, and a visual aid to identify it is indeed appropriate.Darkieboy236 17:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Darkieboy236, I would appreciate it if you didn't plagiarize the words of other editors. What you wrote above are my words, that I wrote on Talk:BAE Systems. Please make your own arguments. Thanks. =Axlq 19:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)