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    [edit] Name

    Since it appears to be an ongoing issue... the archive has some discussion about Rogue's name (and whether or not it should appear in this article). If the subject comes up again, which seems likely, it might be worth reading through that for some background. --Mrph 19:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

    Is he actually a member of THE DuPonts? As in, these guys? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du_Pont_family If that's the case, it should definitely be mentioned with more clarity in the intro paragraph, and he should be listed on that page as well (he's not at the moment). Or are we talking about a different DuPont family here? ~~Baligant

    I think it's clear enough. Let's not go overboard here.--Dr who1975 04:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
    Ok, but I think the mirror links are still a good idea. I'm going to add a link to the Dupont family page and a line for him there. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Baligant (talk • contribs) 15:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC).
    Neither can be included without a citation. See WP:BLP. Chick Bowen 21:46, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
    Cited. I've used the same source that's quoted a little further down the talk page. It looks a little ungainly in the article, but we can always streamline it later. --Mrph 22:04, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
    I wonder what that article's source is. I'm confident of him being THAT du Pont from personal experience... I just wish there was an irrefutable source on it.--Dr who1975 00:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
    I posted his name with a BMI citation long ago back when this was a issue and I firmly support the stance of verifiable information and the public knowledge of a name. I congratulate whoever found this even BETTER source! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.166.222.34 (talk) 06:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC).

    [edit] Name

    I just received a message from someone saying that if I continue to edit his profile to take his name out of it that it will be considered vandalism. You know what, I consider it protecting the rights and privacy of someone who would do the same for anyone else and I will continue to edit it. He may not have actually come to this site and said that he does not want his name known but he has repeatedly stated that he wishes to keep his name out of things to protect his family. It comes down to this, Rogue is a good person who has made conscious effort to keep his birth name out of the public eye for the protection of his family. To violate that desire is not only to put his family in a position that he does not want them in, but it is just plain inconsiderate and vindictive. Honestly, respect his desires and move on with your lives. It hurts no one to leave his name out, but it does to include it.

    Well, except it is a matter of public record that's been sourced repeatedly. And clearly it's pretty public knowledge, as it seems like everybody editing this page knows it. And I'm not exactly sure how it "protects his family." Nor am I sure how it's a secret, since it's plastered all over the BMI and ASCAP databases. Furthermore, the "I will revert forever" mentality is, well, counter to how things work around here, and disruptive. Phil Sandifer 00:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    Another source: [1] Phil Sandifer 00:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    Perhaps if you heard the stories of how random people show up on his doorstep and how he wants to avoid his family being known to avoid them receiving the same harrasment. You do not consider that trying to protect his family? How would you feel if you suddenly became well known and found out your family was suffering because of it? Ariadne of Solus
    Seeing as he's a member of one of the wealthiest families in America, my guess is that they're not exactly receiving a huge amount of new attention. Quite frankly, the DuPonts are a good deal more famous than the league singer of a goth band. Phil Sandifer 03:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    I never heard of them before I knew of The Crüxshadows. People do not respect people anymore, that is one of the biggest problems with today's society. Everyone is so egocentric that they step all over everyone else just to serve their own selfish purposes. studione 16:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC).
    In any case, this seems somewhat beyond the considerations of Wikipedia - we publish verifiable information. We have verifiable information, and more to the point it's relevant information - knowing Rogue's family background offers new perspectives on his music. And it's information that would be readily available to any stalker already, since it's in the BMI/ASCAP databases. I should furthermore note that creating a new username to continue reverting after being blocked is very much frowned upon. Phil Sandifer 16:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
    Oh wow, his name is right here on this site on albums. How hard is that? http://rateyourmusic.com/artist/the_cruxshadows. Get over it, its common knowledge and common right to receive this knowledge.
    "I should furthermore note that creating a new username to continue reverting after being blocked is very much frowned upon." Hate to tell you, but I never created another account. I have not been on the internet since February 1st. I am a student and only get to use the computers at school. I guess I can add easy assumptions to the list of short-comings of the mods here at wikipedia. No wonder no respectable formal institution will allow use of wikipedia as a source. Ariadne of Solus 12:33, 5 February 2007 (UTC).


    YOU"VE NEVER HEARD OF THE DUPONTS BUT YOU'VE HEAR OF THE CRUXSHADOWS. WHAT ROCK DO YOU LIVE UNDER?!?! BACK inthe 90s Rouge used to get strange phone calls from people who read his name on the inside of the album cover... I don;t remeber strange people showing up on his doorstep. Back then you could've just gone to his goth night or 80s night if you really wanted to meet him. Then we'd go to IHOP or village inn afterwards and socialize. It wasn't hard to meet him. What's the big deal now.--Dr who1975 00:55, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Name, part XVLIIIIIII.2

    Reading the archives, people have been having the same argument about this article since 2004.

    Reading Wiki's very own policy on biographies of living persons (yeah, that one with the link up there ^ , go read that and come back), and looking at the other articles on performers using stage names, it pretty much comes down to this:

    Rogue's legal name is publically available and it doesn't take a private investigator to find it out.

    If there is going to be an article on Wiki about Rogue, it's going to include his legal name unless Rogue specifically requests otherwise, which he hasn't to the best of anyone's knowledge. (Yes, he has stated in public he prefers to not have people know his legal name, but he hasn't told Wiki to cease & desist AFAIK)

    The fact that Rogue comes from a Well Known Family adds interest - kinda like if he was a Kennedy or a Windsor.

    So... if you don't want to see Rogue's legal name on Wiki, it would probably be more effective to contact Rogue and have him do something about it than to keep vandalising the article.

    --ArborealCrustacean 17:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

    Furthermore, considering that we have numerous sources on the name, whether or not the Office would respond to Rogue complaining or not is debatable at best. Phil Sandifer 18:01, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
    Ssssh, I'm tryin' to distract 'em. Somehow I doubt this is keeping Rogue up at night, he's rather a busy person. --ArborealCrustacean 18:22, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
    ROGUE! ROGUE! ROGUE!... ewww I know Rogue. You're not the only person who knows/knew Rogue here. I don't see why his identity could possibly hurt his family (and yes.. I know what family it is).--Dr who1975 07:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
    If Rogue didn't want his family name known, he wouldn't let himself be listed in the Tallahassee phone book as "Dupont, Rogue". - ShadowGuardian, 11:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] Born in Charlottesville?

    I didn't know that Rogue was born in Charlottesville. Is there a source for this? I don't recall him mentioning anything about it last time he performed there, and he addressed the crowd at length. --Halloween jack 18:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

    [edit] The Cruxshadows Genre

    The cruxshadows are not gothic rock or electro pop. they are darkwave. I dont know about rougues other bands but the cruxshadows are definatly darkwave. It even says so on thier own vampirefreaks page http://vampirefreaks.com/thecruxshadows. They are at least not gothic rock. Have you even heard gothic rock? Evidently not, if you think the cruxshadows are gothic rock. True, they are goth music, but not goth rock.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Hatecrew9 (talk • contribs)

    Its me, hatecrew9. you told me to post a comment as not logged in. I hope this will help. 86.134.131.90 is the number you said is was. 86.134.131.90 (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

    Hey hatecrew9, sorry to take so long to get back to you. The problem is this, Gothic Rock has become a term for just about all Gothic music. This means that Darkwave is actually a sub genre of Gotic Rock/Music. If you look, you'll see that many bands suh as Siouxsie & the Banshees and Bauhaus are listed as both Darkwave and Gothic Rock so this is not uncommon. I realize you must feel that gothic music has a more specific definition but the general concessus is that. Having said that, even if you strongly feel that Gothic Rock is a seperate genre from Darkwave, the Cruxshadows music was also different in the 90s, their early work is largely, undisputably, Gothic Rock.--Dr who1975 (talk) 23:56, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
    The problem is this, Gothic Rock has become a term for just about all Gothic music. This is POV, nothing more.
    This means that Darkwave is actually a sub genre of Gotic Rock/Music. This is POV number 2. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.122.2.15 (talk) 01:25, 12 December 2007 (UTC)