Talk:Roger Bacon

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Contents 1 Removing Arab embroidery 2 More... 3 Re:more 4 Scholasticism 5 Scholasticism (specifically on Aristotle) 6 Dated historiography 7 Quotations

[edit] Removing Arab embroidery

"He was intimately acquainted with the philosophical and scientific insights of the Arabic world, which was the most advanced civilization at the time." The is conjecture and unsubstantiated. He studied in English Universities and had no "intimate" acquaintance with the Arabic world.

You've made a leap of logic. The Arabic world isn't the equivalent of the Arabic world's philosophy and scientific insight. --Ceriel Nosforit 15:22, 2005 May 1 (UTC)

Actually Roger Bacon was intimately familiar with esoteric Arab knowledge, religious, scientific and otherwise. He lectured at Oxford wearing what would now be called Sufi robes. For more details on this and unimpeachable sources, see Idries Shah's "The Sufis", Octagon Press. --Kneeslasher 15:06, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Shah is scarcely an umimpeachalbe source! bacon doesn not seem to ahve had more contact with Arabic culture than his contemproaries.

I notice also the article has been vandalized. I fixed the reference to Bacon as the inventor of bacon, but someone with more expert knowldge needs to go through it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.37.207 (talk) 19:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More...

Need More Information On Him! Poo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.28.99.210 (talk) 20:03, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:more

Never mind!

[edit] Scholasticism

This article is currently in Category:Scholastic philosophers, but as

Bacon withdrew from the scholastic routine and devoted himself to languages and experimental research.

and

He was an enthusiastic proponent and practician of the experimental method of acquiring knowledge about the world.

shouldn't he also belong to Category:Empiricists

• Yes. Done! —Aetheling 23:37, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I checked out a huge book called Science, Its History and Development Among the World's Cultures, and it has some interesting info on Bacon's life that I think I'll add :) Blueaster 20:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Scholasticism (specifically on Aristotle)

Aristotle, though certainly not an empiricist, did at least try to derive science from the real world. Scholasticism relied on deduction from certain authorities (of whom Aristotle was one) whose claims were simply defined to be true—the real world had very little to do with it. In claiming that Bacon started to break from Scholasticism, I think we should careful not to also claim that he was breaking from Aristotle. —Ryan McDaniel 19:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dated historiography

Much of this article still shows the influence of the outdated historiography of the 1911 Brittanica article. I've added a section on changing interpretations of Bacon that addresses the principle issues. Obviously, more changes still need to be done to the body of the article. --SteveMcCluskey 16:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)!hola!

[edit] Quotations

How can this section be said to be unsourced/unreferenced, when it consists of quotations from Bacon's works, each referenced ? -- HenriLobineau