Talk:Rodeo (Copland)

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Contents 1 Ahem? 2 It's 'Copland' 3 Fair use rationale for Image:Bonyparte.png 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Mcleod.gif 5 Fair use rationale for Image:RodeoBuckaroo.png 6 Fair use rationale for Image:SisJoe.png 7 Use of R-numbers 8 Pronunciation

[edit] Ahem?

Rationale for this page move? SFT | Talk 06:02, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I see now that Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(pieces_of_music) suggests using composers' surnames in titles for distinguishing among different pieces of music. But that's not what's needed here; what's needed here is distinction between a piece of music and a cowboy event. "Ballet" does that job much better than "Copland", which to most people is some random name.

I'm requesting that this be moved back if there are no objections within a day or two. SFT | Talk 07:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

If you read the article, it's not just about the ballet, so the other title is inaccurate. Sam.mcveety 03:20, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh!! I guess you're right. :) SFT | Talk 11:55, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't see what else the article is about. If you're saying it's about a ballet and an orchestral suite, I would consider them to be two different versions of the same work, and would still consider the original version--the ballet--the most important. I suggest a move back to Rodeo (ballet). Skiasaurus (talk) 18:45, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I think I see the distinction: the orchestral version is quite different from the ballet, and the orchestral version is the most well-known version. Thus to say that the article is mostly about the ballet seems incorrect. I'm not strongly opposed to a move, but I think I'd prefer it remain here. (And since there are redirects, it doesn't seem that important) -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:25, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker suite is quite different from the ballet, but both are covered in The Nutcracker, which opens: "The Nutcracker is a fairy-tale ballet..." (emphasis added). Skiasaurus (talk) 18:27, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Right -- I agree that that's what we should do with this article too: cover both versions. However, note that the name of that article is "The Nutcracker," which is appropriate, and not "The Nutcracker (ballet)" which might be less so given that it covers the suite also. If "Rodeo" weren't already taken as a location, we wouldn't need this discussion. In the end, it doesn't really matter to me, so if you feel extremely strongly about it, feel free to make the move. But I don't think the MOS for naming covers works that appear substantially altered in multiple genres. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The lead says, "The symphonic version omits 'Ranch House Party,' leaving the other sections relatively intact." If this is true, then I would not consider the versions to be substantially different. Either way, I can't make the move, since Rodeo (ballet) already exists, and I'm not a sysop. Skiasaurus (talk) 00:59, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] It's 'Copland'

Stop changing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sam.mcveety (talk • contribs) 18:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bonyparte.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Mcleod.gif

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:RodeoBuckaroo.png

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:SisJoe.png

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[edit] Use of R-numbers

What are these R-numbers? Is the same as the bar or measure number in instrumental works? Are they specific to ballets? Are they appropriate for inclusion here? DavidRF (talk) 14:30, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

The author uses R19 for "rehearsal 19." There's not a standard in the field, but referring to them is useful--I think they should be explained at the first usage ("rehearsal 19 (hereafter R19)"). -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 23:34, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation

Is it roDEEo or roDAYo? There seems to be a disagreement. Timneu22 (talk) 11:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's roh-DAY-oh, with the accent on the second syllable. Skiasaurus (talk) 13:25, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

I changed my mind, based on the Google Answers thread on the topic, which I hadn't read before (and which is listed in this article's references section). It seems that Copland himself called it ROH-dee-oh... and who am I to contradict him? :-) Skiasaurus (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Copland put the accent on the first syllable. Agnus de Mille put the accent on the second syllable, which is where most people in the classical music world put it today. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 22:40, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

This is all interesting dialog. Perhaps some citations could be provided and then this info can be provided in the article? Timneu22 (talk) 00:26, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

The Google Answers thread referenced above is already cited. All that's left to do, really, is to figure out where in the article it goes. Skiasaurus (talk) 18:47, 7 May 2008 (UTC)