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Contents 1 Ugly remark 2 Thanks for the welcome 3 THANKS 4 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles/Evidence#Rebuttal re sockpuppets 5 Matrixism Deleted by Rogue Administrator 6 She Who Must Ask Questions 7 Mexico_Japan 8 The reason you didn't get one... 9 Finally a new Section 10 When you have a moment, an essay I wrote 11 Could you have a look 12 Alison 13 Tool 14 Block please 15 Donnalangton user threat of delition notice 16 Dr. Padraig Quinn 17 Thanks 18 Arb 19 3RR 19.1 From the Ireland talkpage 20 That was yesterday 21 The Troubles ArbCom 22 General review? please help 23 Editing Toluca page 24 Toluca Page 25 London Manifesto 26 Reply 27 Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar 28 RfA Thanks

Ugly remark

Rockpocket, can I ask you to look at Treschkow's talk page. There is a really ugly remark against him posted by a banned user, now operating as an anonymous IP. Can this be expunged from the record? Tresckow is German and only comes to English Wikipedia occasionaly. It seems a shame that this should be allowed to hang around. Clio the Muse 04:03, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

we are from Copitas team, from thelmadatters class project, just want to say thanks, and we are learning how to use wikipedia. 189.139.157.246 04:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)DanielaB

THANKS

Hi, my name is Oscar, I am a member of the group ZYANYA06, first of all I would like to apologize because we couldn't answer. By the way, thanks for the interest of helping us with our project...we really appreciate your help, read you later... ciao. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yacopop (talk • contribs) 19:59, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles/Evidence#Rebuttal re sockpuppets

Regarding your comments here: I did write to User:Rockpocket who did not reply.

I have a stored copy of an email I sent you on this matter on 22 July, 2007, later the same day you sent an email to me. I never received a reply. I take it from your statement you never received this email? I can send you a copy of this as proof, if you like, however I would prefer it if you would reword your statement here, as I have stated elsewhere that I discussed the issue with you. Rockpocket 07:46, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Please would you email me your email and mine so I can check which is missing. Then I well reply direct and reword my statement. The way you put it, you wrote to me, I wrote to you and you did not reply to me. - Kittybrewster (talk) 10:50, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I am on this, Kb, but my email server is playing sillybuggers at the moment, and I'm having problems retrieving old mail from the webserver. I'm working on it. There does appear to be some confusion. However, as far as I can tell at the moment. I sent you an email about the use of sockpuppets and you sent a reply declining to reveal them to me. Is that your understanding also? Rockpocket 17:31, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Matrixism Deleted by Rogue Administrator

The Matrixism re-direct and section on Matrixism in The Matrix (series) were summarily deleted by User:Philwelch. They have been restored (temporarily?) by User:Neil but I imagine this is not the end and you might want to chime in on the subject. Philwelch's administrator status is apparently under arbitration for various violations. You might want to have a say there also. 4.242.15.104 15:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

She Who Must Ask Questions

How very sweet: an award for being endlessly confused! You are too, too kind. Bielle 17:05, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't recall you ever using a pronoun (in any of its form) about me, so don't be concerned. I am past being fussed by such things in environments where they do not matter. One of the Bureaucrats, whose user name ends in "a" had, for a brief period of time, a very large notice on his user page, in words and in symbols, declaring his masculine gender. My thought was, if he cared that much, why adopt a potentially ambiguous user name? Sometimes I think people are just looking for things to get upset about. What an awful waste of time and energy! Bielle 17:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I wonder who that was? :) In fairness, it's not polite really to leave people foundering on the whole gender issue. People like to be able to say 'he' or 'she' when speaking about someone else, rather than descend into the nightmare that is gender-neutral pronouns - Alison ^❤ 19:17, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

I disagree about it not being poilte to leave the matter of gender either specifically avoided or left ambiguous. Why cyberspace communication requires such information, I don't know, and keeping it unstated may be a significant part of internet safety or privacy. Even when disclosed, all you know about it is what the other party tells you, which may or may not be the truth. However, if someone is going to be either deliberately unidentified or ambiguous, then that same person would be rude to complain at either choice being selected by others. I will stand appropriately chastised should I ever offend on that account. :-) Bielle 20:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

P.S. The "elle" ending of "Bielle" is usually a good clue of what Bielle intends the reader to believe, but it is not an absolute, especially if you have no exposure to French. As for the gender neutral pronouns, I don't mind them (and even use them, quel horreur!), though I would hate to have to read aloud a passage containing them. Bielle 20:21, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair point, re. the privacy and safety. There's enough stalkery and weirdness going on around here (as many a female admin will attest, including this one). Gender, in the business of creating an encyclopedia, should be irrelevant anyway. And yes, if someone is being intentionally vague, they shouldn't take umbrage when people make the incorrect assumption :) - Alison ^❤ 20:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Being a pragmatist, my policy is to avoid personal pronouns as much as possible. If the need arisies I'll go with "he" unless I have reason to believe otherwise (my reasoning being males are likely to outnumber females on Wikipedia, therefore probability of getting it right is higher). I figure of anyone cares enough about being referred to by the wrong gender, they/he/she will make it clear on their user page. Occasionally, though, I'll occasionally thow in a cheeky "she" in references to editors of unknown sex... but only because I'm a feminist, mind, and absolutely not because it tend to irk those editors that could do with a bit of a testosterone reduction. ;) Rockpocket 20:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

But, of course, who would ever have thought otherwise? :-) Bielle 22:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Mexico_Japan

Thank you rocketpocket, I hope you could helps us because we are new wikipedians and in the near future we are going to write an article so we will need some help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Echg07 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

The reason you didn't get one...

VK would probably never speak to me again if I proposed that as a finding of fact, just in case you were feeling left out. And really? I thought it was just par for the course to turn up and point fingers these days..... One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 00:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Ha ha, thats ok. The admin accusations of bias are merely a distraction here anyway, I really don't see ArbCom accepting any of those arguments because there is no evidence to back it up. I think the evidence Vk is drafting about BHG's potential conflict of interest is about as interesting as that angle is going to get. As for the ridiculous proposals. I think many folks don't quite get how this is supposed to work. There is way too much opinion and not enough facts being used for these proposals. Rockpocket 01:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Having kept a passing eye on more than one ArbCom case during my time here for one reason or another, I know that the likely outcome of anything more than serious and frequent breaches of policy by an admin only end up in "....is cautioned over future use of the admin tools", so it's generally better to try and keep the focus on the areas that can be hopefully resolved rather than get distracted over minor issues. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 01:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Finally a new Section

Hey Rockpocket - I just wanted to make sure you got my email and above messages.--danielfolsom 17:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

I did, Daniel. I'm kind of snowed under with this ArbCom at the moment. I'll try to get back to you in the next few days. Rockpocket 20:49, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

When you have a moment, an essay I wrote

Inspired by.. well.. what you, me, Ty, Alison, and others have gone through with this ArbCom case and what led up to it User:SirFozzie/Nationalism. Be interesting to see if you guys read it the same way I do. Thanks! SirFozzie 17:46, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Could you have a look

Hello Rockpocket, you have commented on this editors attitude all ready, [1] and they are still continuing to just cause offence. The policies have been pointed out, but they seem more intrested in making a point,[2], could you have a look. Thanks --Domer48 08:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I have offered my opinion on the matter which sums up, I think, pretty much what has been discussed previously. He appears to have stopped rever-warring for the moment and, while I think his comments are some what inflammatory, it may simply be clumsy wording rather than a concerted attempt to rile others. I'll keep and eye on things and if he continues down this line I'll have another word with him. In the meantime is think "... member (volunteer)" is an justifiable compromise, though I (personally) don't have an issue with it as it stands. Rockpocket 17:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Alison

Rockpocket, that business over Alison has really upset me, so much so that I have left a lengthy personal statement on her talk page, copied to my own. Thank you so very much for letting me know about this. Clio the Muse 08:41, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I thought you may have a certain empathy with her. I have been working quite closely with Alison recently and she is a sterling editor, I'm sure she will appreciate your warm support. Rockpocket 17:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Tool

Oh yeah that's pretty tight - but for some reason when I tried to edit a page (I was going to see how that worked ...) I was blocked ... hmmmm ... well hey, at least i'm not currently blocked. Although, I do have to say it's about 2,000 edits behind ... lol, well hey - I'll survive (somehow) --danielfolsom 11:38, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Block please

Please block the anonymous poster who keeps attacking me re "anti-Britishness" on my talkpage if they continue to do so. They know I cannot reply frankly and honestly due to Wiki censorship. (Sarah777 21:27, 24 September 2007 (UTC))

Donnalangton user threat of delition notice

You left a message thanking me for joinning & how your now using one of my photos the (MINOR STRIKE SEPT29.jpg) but in the same breath your set to close me down?

You mention I only contribute to my own page. Guys I know so little about the code which leaves me stunpted at times something I really wanted to master. So even to think about adding to another members pages only to then make a mess of it would horrify me especialy if a novice made a mess of my work.

The links I had on my user page that led to the now ex members & what they're all up to now seemed to be relivent. Maybe they did go here there & every where but the future is easier to chart than rewriting the past & more so if your doing it your self. plus if lots of other users have links going all over the net to the point you can be directed to porn sites & buy videos on ebay then me sending someone to my space seems relivent especialy if you get to hear what these bands are up to now.

If I'm deleted so be it and I'll be sad to go & even sadder when once again when the eyes of the world who in the past where strongly focused on the london punk scene just like now the paisley punk history scene will be ignored all over again according to wikipedia rules.

So If you delete my page competelly from every part of the wikipedia's site then that also meens.

MY PHOTO, MY POSTER & MY COPY RIGHT PROPERTY IE. THE (MINOR STRIKE SEPT29.jpg) WILL ALSO BE DELETED FROM EVERY PART OF WIKIPEDIA.

AFTER ALL FAIRS FAIR;) now that's punk! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donnalangton (talk • contribs)

Dr. Padraig Quinn

I've taken the liberty of re-closing this AfD, given it was closed then re-opened by a SPA who's more than likely a sockpuppet of a banned editor. I did leave a message on Scolaire's talk page about it yesterday as well, as that period of history is more his area of expertise than mine, and it's pretty likely there's source material offline in the many books written about the period. Thanks. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:35, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thats fine, I didn't realise it had been closed properly then partially reverted, which was why I commented and removed the malformed closing template. Rockpocket 06:40, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I can understand that many articles need to be nominated for deletion (ideally speedy) within 4 minutes of creation, but I think that nomination was slightly dubious especially in the current climate. If it's not improved in a month or so I'd recommend deletion myself. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 06:44, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

ONIH, is it I you suspect of being a sockpuppet (per above)? I know the current climate, but that doesn't change notability, I typed Dr. Quinn's name into Google and couldn't see anything, not to mention unsourced contentious claims and PoV, hence the AfD. I really don't try to cause bother and I'm sorry if this was seen as such. --Counter-revolutionary 09:19, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

No, I said the AfD was re-opened by a "a SPA who's more than likely a sockpuppet of a banned editor", probably RMS as he tends to wikistalk my edits. Nothing to do with you there. As Mr Lauder is so keen on pointing out, Google isn't everything especially when it comes to people from the 1920s. I think nominating an article (created by a new editor, see WP:BITE) four minutes after it was created and saying it has "no references" is poor form, when you didn't ask for references before nominating it. If you check Special:Recentchanges you'll see plenty of articles created every day, many of them such as "John Smith is a 14 year old student at London College" get deleted straight away, and rightly so. However with articles such as Padraig Quinn there's no immediate rush to delete them. By all means tag them for improvement and sources, that's what the tags are for. And if nothing is done within a reasonable amount of time then nominate the article, but it is my honest belief that nominating that article within four minutes of its creation without first tagging it or attempting to discuss the article with the creator is not in keeping with the spirit of Wikipedia. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 09:28, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

For the Angelo Fusco DYK nom, but I think this one is much better myself. One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 14:52, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

You are right, that one does have a better hook. Nice work on both those articles. Rockpocket 15:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. And assuming you remember the guy recently causing problems on Bobby Sands, this seems like blatant trolling, or will I get my wrist slapped by someone for not assuming good faith? One Night In Hackney₃₀₃ 08:01, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Arb

Hey Rockpocket - how close are you to finishing out the arb thing you were working on? Thanks for the update--danielfolsom 18:35, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Check out "new" User:Quis separabit - obvious sock of someone on the British/Unionist side. Ain't there a law against that?! (Sarah777 00:19, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

Another one?

I'd like a second opinion on User:TharkunColl; I found him trolling on the Ireland article yesterday and he popped up again on my watch list just now on European Megalithic Culture; same thing on both occaisions - replacing Ireland and Britain or some variant thereof with British Isles.

Checking his recent edit history it seems he has been at it all over the place. Who is he? Any previous record of this type of thing? (Sarah777 17:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

3RR

1. (cur) (last) 18:28, October 1, 2007 TharkunColl (Talk | contribs) (11,486 bytes) (No. It was YOU who changed the article on 17 September. The sources say British Isles. Please take your political POV elsewhere) (undo)
2. (cur) (last) 18:24, October 1, 2007 Sarah777 (Talk | contribs) (11,481 bytes) (revert deliberate provocative edits) (undo)
3. (cur) (last) 18:15, October 1, 2007 TharkunColl (Talk | contribs) (11,486 bytes) (rem attempts to introduce political debate into another article) (undo)
4. (cur) (last) 17:48, October 1, 2007 Sarah777 (Talk | contribs) (11,481 bytes) (rem attempts to introduce political debate into another article) (undo)
5. (cur) (last) 17:07, October 1, 2007 TharkunColl (Talk | contribs) (11,486 bytes) (undo)

3RR - there is an automatic block I believe; at least that is what happened to me when I accidentally reverted 3 times; this editor was clearly warned and acknowledged that by trolling on my talk-page. (Sarah777 17:45, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

From the Ireland talkpage

The "thoughts" of Mr 3RR: "Personally speaking, I do not consider myself a European. Every single attempt, successful or otherwise, to undermine British sovereignty has come from Europe - the Romans, the Catholic Church, the Normans, Napoleon, Hitler, the Common Market - the list is endless. I find European culture completely alien, with its cafe bars, hairy armpits, frogs legs, beer kellers, its bull fighting, Jew gassing, horse eating, garlic smelling philosophies such as fascism, communism, corporate state-ism, nihilism, positivism and any-other-ism you care to mention, and its insistence on speaking a whole bunch of different yet equally incomprehensible languages such as French, German, Italian, Spanish, etc. etc. etc. Europe is a large landmass situated directly to our east that has interfered in the affairs of this island for centuries, distorting and perverting our own development. I find its comedy risible, its food disgusting, and its attempts at popular music appalling. There is nothing about Europe that I can think of right now that I like. And yet, even though the very word "Europe" conjures up all these negative feelings, I am not so insular, stupid or politically motivated as to try and claim that the UK is not, in fact, part of the European continent." TharkunColl 07:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Not getting much response here Rockpocket; but could you explain why this guy didn't get an automatic block for 3RR? Is it because the Arbcom that finds calling the British Empire just exactly what it was is offensive to the Anglo ear but that said ear is cool with this potpourri of bile, prejudice and racism. I guess this is "only" the same as calling Irishmen who struggled for freedom "terrorists" and "murderers"? (Sarah777 22:06, 2 October 2007 (UTC))

That was yesterday

It's fine Rockpocket; ignore my gripes with TharkunColl - the storm passed over. (Sarah777 19:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

The Troubles ArbCom

Seems to be in Limbo once again, and the natives are seemingly getting restless (see Orange Institution for the latest kerfluffle). Obviously, we need to get folks used to the fact that it looks likely that the law of the land going forward is going to be 1 Revert per WEEK (not counting reverts of anonymous IP addresses).

As a suggestion, do you think that all of the admins involved could impose a "psuedo-probation" on these users until ArbCom's end? SirFozzie 15:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

General review? please help

I am very frustrated with what I believe is vote stacking and manipulation of consensus at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music# Proposal on bio-infoboxes and Wikipedia:WikiProject Composers (all through the talk pages and archives). It concerns a possible guideline on the use of user boxes for people. How can I ask for a general review of these proceedings? There have been several attempts to discredit apposing points of view and also to pass the guideline without consensus. Thanks for your help. I’m really not sure what to do. --S.dedalus 20:21, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Never mind, someone has already asked for a WP:RFC. I guess that’s better than a Wikipedia:Third opinion? --S.dedalus 00:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Editing Toluca page

Hi, I am Nathaly from Copitas Team. We put some information about the "Cosmovitral" and we would like you check it and tell us if grammar structure is ok.

Thank u so much. (Please answer in our page). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Copitas

132.254.140.152 18:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Toluca Page

Hi, I'm Hector from Mexico_Japan. We are proposing some modification about Toluca´s history. The information is in our group page. If you can take a look at it ti would be great. Thanks Hector Magaña 17:50, 8 October 2007 (UTC)Hector_Magaña

London Manifesto

Rockpocket, my alarm bells are ringing on the above! Please see my response to a request for information on the Humanities RD. Clio the Muse 23:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Clio. I'm looking into this. Rockpocket 23:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

If you are interested in offering an opinion... Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/London Manifesto Rockpocket 01:48, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

You cranky deletionists!—eric 09:23, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Reply

I left the warning to the username about the Speedy Deletion tag, and noticed it was a prod tag immediately afterwards. I was going to remove it, but I thought (agreeing to you) that it was just a sockpuppet account and I felt no need to change it. Thanks for acknowledging my watch, reverting the deletion, and letting me know what was going on. Much appreciated. I'll keep in touch with you for sure. Have a good one. BeanoJosh 06:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar

Hello,

An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar. Please add any evidence you may wish the Arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alkivar/Workshop.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, Picaroon (t) 21:24, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

RfA Thanks

Dear Rockpocket, ______ __ __ __ /\__ _\/\ \ /\ \ /\ \ \/_/\ \/\ \ \___ __ ___\ \ \/'\ __ __ ___ __ __\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ _ `\ /'__`\ /' _ `\ \ , < /\ \/\ \ / __`\/\ \/\ \\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \_\.\_/\ \/\ \ \ \\`\\ \ \_\ \/\ \_\ \ \ \_\ \\ \_\ \ \_\ \ \_\ \_\ \__/.\_\ \_\ \_\ \_\ \_\/`____ \ \____/\ \____/ \/\_\ \/_/ \/_/\/_/\/__/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/\/_/`/___/> \/___/ \/___/ \/_/ /\___/ \/__/ For your contribution to My RfA, which passed with 8000 Supports, 2 Neutrals and no opposes. The standards and dedication of the English Wikipeidan Administrators is excellent and I am privileged to stand among them. Thankyou for putting you trust in me, I'll not see it abused. And now, I will dance naked around a fire. Party at my place! Cheers! Dfrg.msc 08:59, 16 October 2007 (UTC) Expand for picture....