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Good article Rocky has been listed as one of the Arts good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can delist it, or ask for a reassessment.


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To-do list for Rocky: edit · history · watch · refresh
  • Give the whole article a copyedit
  • Work on finding references for the Production section other than the video commentary
  • "A" class
  • In the future FAC

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[edit] Marciano

Isn't he based on Rocky Marciano? --daunrealist 03:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

    • As far as I can tell he's only named after Rocky Marciano, but I've included a link so people can judge for themselves. I've also broken the article into sections to make it easier to read. Scott197827 30 October 2005.

[edit] Fictional sequels

I thought that it is interesting that there are fictional sequels to this film that will never be made.

There may be others, but I can't remember them at the moment.

Lady Aleena 07:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Theme From Rocky XIII (Rye or the Kaiser) - from "Weird Al" Yankovic
  • Rocky 1003 - referenced in Adam Ant - USSA. Ant mentions that Rocky dies in this movie.

kuvopolis 23:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Has anyone seen the episode of the Simpsons where Bart is trying to remember Roman Numerals? I think he says something along the lines of "Rocky VII, Adrian's Revenge!" 134.29.6.7 22:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] An Earlier Rocky Game?

About two years ago I was going through a "variety pack" of ancient ROMs, and came across a boxing game called Rocky. The character on the title screen was a spitting-pixelated image of Rocky, but other than that, it was a generic boxing game. (The in game character didn't look anything like Rocky.) For all I know, it was a bootleg of another Boxing game with the title screen changed. Could someone confirm it?--Agent Aquamarine 23:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia

Garrett Brown's Steadicam

  • Elsewhere in Wikipedia, the first use of Steadicam in a film is attributed to Bound for Glory.

[edit] Failed GA

[edit] 1

Not quite there yet for GA. The article is just a little too short for a movie with this kind of impact, especially on Stallone's career. Cameo appearances could be merged into the cast section, which would be more appropriately something other than a list. Awards and Reviews is only Awards. Trivia section should be scrapped or merged into above sections, although I see several things that are undeniably trivia, such as in the Awards and Reviews section "Not until Crash 29 years later would a Best Picture recipient receive only two other awards."

Also, the Plot section is immensely POV, and curiously not very detailed. Cut down the climactic fight sequence into only the turning points of the fight. Good luck. --Dark Kubrick 09:26, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2

I've decided not to pass this either, mainly because of citations. There's little to go on other than Sylvester Stallone's commentary on the DVD edition and some AFI recognition. I'd like to know more about this film than I can learn from a rental at Blockbuster Video: what do critics (both of the academic and newspaper variety) and industry professionals say about this film? Durova 14:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GA nomination

I've been looking at this article and coming very close to passing it this time. What's the source for the "Production" section though? There's plenty of uncited assertions, but I get the impression that in fact the entire section up until the final paragraph comes from the one source, which is Stallone himself? (his DVD commentary). Perhaps the citation could be reformatted (passim, or just appear once at the top of the section with a footnote saying the section is based on this source). Most of this material is OK to be sourced direct from Stallone, I think, although there a few "facts" (such as Ken Norton pulling out) which might be better corroborated by independent sources. Remember, quotes from people involved are great for opinions and perspectives but not necessarily good for facts.
I think the Plot section is good now, as is Awards. Reviews is pretty good, just a little thin perhaps but you have Ebert, the main web sites, and a major newspaper, so that's all OK.
Very, very close... --kingboyk 20:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi. What you wrote on my talk page is noted. Thanks.
There are other issues. Please work through Wikipedia:What_is_a_good_article? point by point and check your compliance with every single criteria. If I can see that you've attempted to comply with each point, even if you're perhaps lacking a little in one or two areas (such as the references as discussed on my talk page), I will pass it. Currently I can't. See for example 1(d): necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided. Professional boxing (important one, includes details on scoring/judges which is relevant to the plot), heavyweight, Oscars, knockout. Assume your reader knows nothing about boxing (which may well be true). --kingboyk 21:45, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I've gone through and checked it against every one of the criteria, while it is little thin on sources the only one I could see any failing of was 1d and I've checked the whole article and provided links to techinical jargon that can be linked to other article and explained what a bell ringer is, have I done it now?†he Bread 00:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I think the article is broadly compliant, and I believe it's a "good article" within the spirit of GA. It's not FAC standard yet (references, needs a good copyedit from an independent editor), but it's referenced, appropriately laid out, has relevant images, has links to technical terms, and is a pleasant read. That makes it a GA as far as I'm concerned. Congratulations. --kingboyk 13:57, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] From South Philadelphia?

I know this is nitpicking, but does Rocky state he is "froM" or grew up In S. Phila? I ask because the neighborhood he lives in, was filmed in N Philadelphia, under/near the M-F El along Front (Norris Park) and then Kensington. I realize the Italian-American neighborhood is S. Phila, but that DOESN'T mean Rocky grew up there?! Hillsboro 20:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shooting Time

What about shooting this movie in 28 days? Removed until someone can prove it's a record. Sven Erixon 00:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

On the rocky.com website, one of the questions is how long shooting took. The answer was 28 days. Majorxp 19:24, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film Trivia??

1. First, I didn't know shooting a script out of order (or reverse) was a Technical Innovation as stated in the current article.

2. No mention that the "Italian Stallion" nickname of the fighter is the same as Stallone's softcore movie. Other Wiki movie articles, have interesting facts, why not this one?--Gohiking 19:36, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

That is because the chharacter in the soft core movie was not named rocky. It was re released after Rocky came out with a different title. The article already discusses this thoroughy.

For one your not meant to have trivia, the way they shot the scenes was innovative and i've been working on adding the Italian Stallion stuff for a while, but I need a source and somewhere to put it (Probably influence)

†he Bread 02:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Interest in Rocky

Due to the new film coming out, I assume there will be lots of people trying to make their own little contribution to this article. †he Bread (and everyone else too), instead of just reverting every edit (except vandalism), should we try to review whether the change is good or bad here? I don't want to make lots of work, and I definately want to protect the GA rating, but I don't think every change needs to be reverted either. Just wanted to get your input as I tend to monitor the Rocky page too. Gohiking 20:18, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah your probably right, alot of it is adding spoiler tags (which aren't needed in a section titled "Plot") and alot is P.O.V and adding the last names to Adrian and Paulie (which aren't mentioned in the film). It was alot of hard work getting this to GA standard, being such a famous film, i'll try to review the changes a bit more, but at the moment i've got other things to do.

†he Bread 23:19, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] What Rocky is still missing

The heart of the Rocky story is Love, Redemption, and going the distance after being "down and out", and the fighting is really only a secondary story, but the article doesn't really convey that.

Also, the movie's Tagline is not included in the article: "His whole life was a million to one shot"

We are meant to keep a neutral point of view, pushing those themes would seem to violate it, the tagline is fairly trivial, which isn't meant to be in the artilce.

†he Bread 00:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

How does that violate nuetral point of view? The purpose of the article is convey the true meaning of the film, and include taglines. It seems like when you say "keep a neutral point of view", you mean to say, "keep my point of view." Fistful of Questions 15:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
If we write the plot section with stuff about how amazing it was that Rocky went the distance, and that he managed to prove himself a true champion, that violates NPOV, go read it. To someone who hasn't seen the movie all they need to know is what we've got right now. Also why should tagline be included, just because a whole bunch of crappy articles have it doesn't mean it should be here. Find me an FA or even a GA with taglines and we can have it.
†he Bread 23:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rocky was not an amateur

Rocky was not an amateur boxer. He was a professional boxer, just at a local level. After his fight with Spider Rico the promoter divides the purse between spider and rocky. I have changed the "amateur". Note that just because Rocky's fights were "local" this does not mean they were Amateur fights; Amateur and professional boxing are two different sports.

[edit] Rocky's age

This article claims he fought his fight against Dixon at the age of 61, which obviously goes along with the fact that Balboa was originally born in 1945, apparently. However, the movie clearly states that Rocky's in his 50s. Maybe the movie can be said to take place sometime earlier than 2006 (although after 2002 which is when Adrian died) but either way, Rocky's not 61 in Rocky Balboa. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.14.187.75 (talk) 07:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Isn’t a Sylvester Stallone interview relevant to this film?

I discussed this issue with the frequent editors at WikiProject_Films; please see the topic entitled “Can I post reviews and interviews as external links?” in their discussion forum. They confirmed that it is appropriate to add an external link to an interview, and that “generally any professional critic review is acceptable”.

This article currently does not contain any links to interviews with Sylvester Stallone. Please clarify your policies. Thanks. ImaGoodPerson 00:48, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do Not Merge 1818 tusculum - Delete it

1818 tusculum has no meaningful use and is only a scene location from the movie Rocky having no encyclopedic content - should not be merged and instead be deleted. Gohiking 13:32, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I put it up for deletion take a look here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1818 tusculum

†he Bread 3000 04:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rocky (film)

Could we rename this article as Rocky (film), since there is now an article named Rocky (series)?200.227.71.173 21:46, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

No, that's fairly unnecessary
†he Bread3000 07:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Montage

After watching Rocky again this past weekend, I realized that the first film is the only of the series that does not contain a montage. Just thought you'd like to know. 134.29.6.7 22:54, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I have a bit of a problem with the timeline of the film. I have made a small correction. The film starts on November 15, 1975 and the original article suggests that the first fight took place on January 1, 1976. This is correct according to the movie, although in real life it would be considered a miracle at best. The second film however does not take place 10 months later, rather sometime during the next year. Notice how Rocky and his trainer refer to the previous fight as "last year's fight" during the night of the second fight. This places the second fight at the very earliest to be January 1, 1977.


[edit] Metaphor

I think that this movie has a metaphor. "No matter what the odds of sucess are go out there and give it your best". That is what Rocky did —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameron54321 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Rocky Wiki

Hey, there is a Rocky Wikia for anyone who wishes to edit.Sidious1701(messages) 05:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Awards Section

Hello,

I'm cleaning up a lot of WGA references in a number of articles and I had mine here reversed by Anonymous 72.66.105.154. I'm not offended but I wanted to discuss so we could come to a concensus.

The current link to the "Writers Guild of America" is problematic because:

  • There is no such organization.
  • The stub is of low quality.
  • The article may be deleted in the future. (Which is why I'm not linking the article in this discussion.)

The confusion comes because the WGAE and WGAw co-host the poorly named Writers Guild of America Award show so casual observers assume there must be a single "Writers Guild of America" but there's not. There are two: The Writers Guild of America, East for New York and the Writers Guild of America, west for LA. (None yet just for Philly, sorry guys!) These are completely separate unions, not just locals.

I think this article should reference the WGA Awards not a fictitious labor union. Does 72.66.105.154 or other contributors see things differently? DirectRevelation 06:32, 3 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation

No probs here. I only reverted the "and greatly revered by Santos Furtado" in the first paragraph. I could be wrong but, I don't remember seeing his name in the credits. As far as the awards section goes, you seen to be knowledgeable. Be bold and edit it. Maybe you could cite any changes to avoid a revert. Thanks----DreamsAreMadeOf 03:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
OK, I made the change in the Awards section and foot note 20. I'm not sure I would describe my change as that "bold" though.  :-) DirectRevelation 04:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)DirectRevelation