Talk:Rockism

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[edit] Original research

I've removed the following passage because it qualifies as original research as an unsourced rebuttal: "A counter to the claim that rockism is sexist, racist, and/or homophobic is that some of the most acclaimed rock artists were female, black, or homosexual such as Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, and Freddie Mercury." --Muchness 21:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

While I myself don't have much sympathy with the various attitudes labeled here as "rockist," I think the general tone of the article is a bit condescending.

Also, it raises two specific specific features of rockism that have no necessary connection: 1)the notion that music should have a particular sound or instrumentation, and 2) the emphasis on authenticity and contempt for commercial, or mass, art. It is not uncommon to find such an "elitist" character in electronic music, for example, and avant-garde artists generally do not limit themselves to technology of any particular era.--WadeMcR 07:48, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

The rockist critique connects these two features. We might question the validity of the critique, but as editors it's our job only to report the debate as it was played out in the music press and blogosphere. If you feel that some aspect of the issue and debate has been misrepresented, or that the article's tone is biased, by all means edit the article to fix the problems (but please be wary of introducing original research). --Muchness 09:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I think you'll find isolated corners in the blogosphere which proclaim themselves to be rockist ; they are few and far between but they certainly exist. Also, as hip-hop has become noticeably less African-American with time - one could make a valid argument for hip-hop and rap being no more "black genres" than rock was in 1964 or so - racial connotations of rockism seem to be rather shallow.

I found a source for this rebuttal in the New York Times, and am posting it. 24.199.113.215 16:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stereotypical Term

I'll admit that my comparison of "rockist" to "pro-abortion" is a little over the top, but I wanted to get my point across thatto my knowledge the term is entirely a straw-man created by music critics. If someone finds info showing that the term originater from music critics who advcated it, then change what I wrote and source that information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 130.215.230.131 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 5 February 2007 (UTC).

The analogy you're making between "rockist" and "pro-abortion" is an unsourced synthesis of ideas to build a case, and therefore constitutes original research. What this article really needs is some references to show how the term was originally introduced and used in the press. The straw man argument is addressed in the critiques section. --Muchness 22:53, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] what this article needs

is a significant amount of research into how the word has been used in its history, however brief that is. i'm confident that it was defined differently by british critics writing about punk and post-punk, than it is today. always, always historicize.

and i fail to see why the new york times quote- about the diversity of a "canon"- keeps being removed. i may re-add it with citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.65.224.92 (talk) 07:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)