Talk:Rocket jumping
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[edit] First appearance in Doom?
User:Fredrik added:
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- Rocket jumping first appears in Doom, where it is used to reach the secret exit in E3M6 (it is possible to reach the exit without rocket jumping, but rocket jumping was the intended method according to John Romero). [1]
I'm not sure I buy this as an appearance of rocket jumping. It's true that it uses a rocket to propel the player (horizontally), but that's not really "jumping," at least not in the sense that people rocket jump today. On that page, Romero even says that they did not anticipate rocket jumping in Quake, so it seems that he considers the two different. Brighterorange 5 July 2005 15:21 (UTC)
- The term "rocket jumping" is used for horizontal "jumping" as well. If anything, the article should be changed to reflect this fact. Fredrik | talk 5 July 2005 15:27 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree. How do you account for the fact that Romero (whom I trust as an authority) apparently uses "rocket jumping" to mean something else, since they did not anticipate it in Quake, yet knew about the horizontal maneuver when making Doom years earlier? Brighterorange 5 July 2005 17:33 (UTC)
- I find the fact that they didn't anticipate it somewhat puzzling, but it doesn't change that the term "rocket jump" is used for the trick in the context of Doom (perhaps because in Doom, running off a ledge is considered the same as "jumping"). The term "horizontal rocket jump" is also used to denote horizontal rocket propulsion in Quake, so there's no reason to ignore this usage. I agree that disambiguation might be appropriate in the article, though. - Fredrik | talk 5 July 2005 21:20 (UTC)
- I respectfully disagree. How do you account for the fact that Romero (whom I trust as an authority) apparently uses "rocket jumping" to mean something else, since they did not anticipate it in Quake, yet knew about the horizontal maneuver when making Doom years earlier? Brighterorange 5 July 2005 17:33 (UTC)
[edit] What about Grenade Jumping in Marathon?
Marathon had grenade jumping, and predated both Doom and Quake.
Marathon II required grenade jumping to get to some locations.
True it wasn't available on the PC until after Quake--does that disqualify it?
- Doom came out in 1993, Marathon in 1994. Frencheigh 02:01, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the debate was move. —Nightstallion (?) Seen this already? 11:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Requested move
Rocketjumping → Rocket jumping – It's a more proper and more often used name for this technique. — —Michiel Sikma, 10:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC) (copied from the entry on the WP:RM page)
[edit] Survey
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- support. I agree the proper name is "rocket jumping." — brighterorange (talk) 14:06, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
- Support Does something this simple even need a vote? Qutezuce 10:10, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
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Hello!
I remember a famous Quake demo on a webpage called "The Rocketjumpers Guide To Quake". I think it was hosted on Planetquake.com once, but has disappeared for a long time. Maybe someone has a copy of the page and the demo and could reference it here? It is in a way a historical document :)
[edit] Metroid bomb-jumping
Should this be added to the article? It's similar in technique, though in Metroid it's an intended strategy, and required in many places. (Though even in some of the other examples, it is intended, even if it's only to access secret levels.) I suppose the one major difference is that in bomb-jumping in Metroid does not damage the player, and it's more a matter of learning the proper timing to reach greater heights. Lurlock 15:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Original research
Per the verifiability policy and the no original research policy I have removed a substantial portion of the material in the article as being original research. See these diffs. The article content policies require reliable sources to support the material. Some of the sources in the article certainly would be hard to argue as reliable as well. Based on the amount of reliable sources available, I believe this article and the related articles would be better served if they were merged into a single article on specialized gaming moves. That way all the material could be supported with sources. - Taxman Talk 19:49, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
