Talk:Rock climbing
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[edit] Re: Indoor Climbing revert
Another article exists, Indoor climbing. Rather than needlessly increasing the length of this article, why not improve that one instead? Additionally, as someone stated previously, this isn't an article on climbing in England. Finally, citations are appreciated. --H4lf 14:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Cleanup
While this article is a good start, it could use citations and better organization. --H4lf 17:53, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Gabbro climbing area
I would be very curious to find out where a gabbro climbing area would be, given the rapid weathering characteristics of such ultra-mafics, and the relative scarcity of surficial occurrence. Perhaps a slowish cooling basalt lava? Location? Not exactly doubting, just very curious. Might have to plan a trip there!
There's gabbro on the Cuillin ridge of Skye (island off west coast of Scotland), remarkable stuff to climb on, great friction, even when wet.
Once I complete a number of the other Yosemte related articles I am working on, I plan to add some of the history of Yosemite rock climing here, which has been very influential in North America. ClaudeMuncey
I really don't understand why this page is called 'rock climbing' and yet it is obviously but a history/guide to the climbing in the British Isles... good information by any means, but maybe a little tweaking of the page title is in order... AdamMorgan
[edit] Request: danger of rock climbing
Any history about the dangers? It looks so dangerous. (Bjorn Tipling 01:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC))
[edit] A few other types
Deep-water(bouldering over water)
Czech style - no chalk, cams, or bolts
[edit] Climbing clubs
I propose that we move the list of climbing clubs to its own page, so that it does not become too large on the main page. Robogymnast 17:58, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
- That sounds reasonable. The list is far from complete (the most prominent of all is probably Club Alpin Français which is not there) and then there are the occasional spam entries. However, a "List of (prominent) climbing clubs" page will undoubtedly attract spam. There is already Category:Climbing organisations which includes all those climbing clubs which have Wikipedia articles; we could just link to that. Rwxrwxrwx 19:38, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
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- What about adding a see also link to Alpine Club, which covers most of them. Ice climbing is similar. Kevin 03:36, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
- A agree that the list should be removed or placed on its own page since it really has no direct link since some of the clubs are more towards alpine and mountaineering. Rsriprac 07:02, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
- I've removed the list. (128.97.245.37) Rsriprac 01:45, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Lead Climbing
Hey guys, nice work on this article, but we seriously need some help over here in Lead climbing. If any of you could give me a hand writing up a breif hsitory of lead climbing it would be greeat :-) (I'm finding it hard to find sources) Jason McConnell-Leech 07:34, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] categorization of types of climbing
I've cleaned up a bit on the distinctions between different types of climbing, especially outlining which techniques are sub-categories of lead climbing. This begs the question, though of how to organize these categories. There are many different aspects to each, indoor/outdoor, rock/route, lead/top-rope, sport/trad, free/aid. Most of these are orthoginal categories. I don't see a natural way to organize this.
This section is a mess ... very misleading. Lead climbing applies to both aid and free climbing. It could be seen in opposition to toproping.
The free climbing entry should mention that gear is used for protection. It should be distinguished from free soloing, in which no gear is used.
A route that is predominantly protected by bolts, even if they were placed on lead, is a sport climb, not a trad climb. Trad climbs are climbs that are protected primarily with gear placed by the leader.
[edit] "Traditional" Needs Work and Referencing
Last statement is incorrect. In fact, the term "traditional climbing" in U.S. arose in late 70's and early 80's over how bolts were placed, especially in Tuolumne Meadows, not on the matter of bolts themselves. Two key points central to defining traditional climbing at its well documented, historical roots are:
- "traditional" was first coined in 1984 Ascent article "Tricksters and Traditionalists." As the article shows, traditionalists very much allowed themselves bolts placed on the lead. Of course natural protection (then mostly nuts and some cams) were the mainstay and preferred, but the essential issue defining "traditional" and distinguishing it from emerging "sport" (in the article dubbed "trickster") was not to bolt or not to bolt. The dividing issue was HOW protection is placed, not the protection technology itself. Traditional climbing placed bolts on the lead without any previewing of the route from above, and without hooks or overhead ropes for tension while placing. In a pivotal war of the day in the center of the first significant U.S. debate, Tuolumne Meadows, traditionalists removed bolts from a new route just because they were placed on tension from above, not because they were bolts - and the war was off and running between competing styles.
- while protection technology was not the heart of the first traditional and sport conflict, climbing STYLE was at the nub of the debate. Not only did traditionalists protest previewing from above as much as protecting from above, they also were angered by rehearsing moves while hanging on tension, and by resting on the rope after a fall. The accepted traditional approach of the day was to lower to a hands free stance after a fall and begin again; or, to lower to the beginning of the pitch or the ground to start over. The growing sport approach was (and still is in some sport styles) to hang and rest. Finally, the traditional approach of the day was generally to quit after a few falls. Repeated falling and working of the route, multiple attempts over many days (so called "sieging"), especially using fixed ropes to regain high points for working, all were anathema to traditionalists.
Here are some starting sources which should be acknowledged in content and referenced for readers. First, see "Tricksters and Traditionalists," by Tom Higgins, Ascent, Sierra Club, 1984. A link to a verbatim web version (I have Sierra Club written permission for posting to the source site) is:
Here is a link to a one page table which summarizes the several STYLE issues from the watershed time period when traditional and sport first arose in stark contention and when "traditional" first came into parlance:
http://www.tomhiggins.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=32&Itemid=19
And finally, for those seeking perspective and specific documentation on how the traditional-sport divide has carried through to today, with 21 references to recent climbing literature on the subjects, here is a relevant link:
Tom Higgins (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)Tom Higgins
[edit] History
The article is careful to emphasise rock climbing as a sport, although the lead does not mention this. The natives of St Kilda were climbing with ropes to collect birds and eggs long before the Victorians. I have no idea if there are other non-sporting examples from antiquity. Ben MacDui (Talk) 21:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- There are numerous examples of cliff-dwelling around the world going back hundreds (possibly thousands) of years, access to which must have involved rock climbing techniques to some extent. Rwxrwxrwx 21:26, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
- Which begs the question - why then is the subject not mentioned here? Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- Eurocentrism, and general ignorance.--142.58.50.227 19:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
- Which begs the question - why then is the subject not mentioned here? Ben MacDui (Talk) 07:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. But instead of just whining about it - fix it. That is after all what wikipedia is about! :) Wynand.singels 20:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Putting in citations and more facts to enhance this page quality
I would like to make the "rock climbing" search more accurate by adding citations and add more facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dville (talk • contribs) 19:12, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] yelling
i need to do a report you were NO help thanksw alot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.103.69 (talk) 00:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
