Talk:Robin Bush
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OK, to what do you object? If you're going to slap an NPOV on this, you must put your reasons on the talk page, otherwise it will be removed after a while?Daniel Case 16:39, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
It has been two weeks. The original NPOVer has not deigned to respond; therefore I'm removing the tag. Daniel Case 02:39, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
This article has a LOT of problems. First, it states that Jeb Bush was not born until 2 years after Robin's death. But Jeb's article lists his birth date as February 11, 1953, 8 months BEFORE Robin's death on Ocotber 11, 1953. More importantly, there is a lot of highly speculative and unsourced conjecture about the impact this loss had on George W. Bush much later in life. It needs a lot of clean up. TMS63112 19:52, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
I'll deal with the POV allegations later. But just what the hell is the relevance of that Compton discussion? Daniel Case 03:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
- I had kind of the same question. A new user (whose other contributions also seem to be Compton-related) added the information. To me, the truly relevant information is where she was born. The fact that her middle name was Pierce on her birth certificate is probably relevant too. I didn't know the Bush family had lived in California at all, so I found the explanation of GHWB working for Dresser industries helpful in understanding the family context at the time Robin was born. The bit about the apartment where they lived for six months being proposed as a possible historic site is an interesting bit of trivia. Maybe not relevant, but I don't see any harm in having it in the article. I look forward to your thoughts in response to my POV concerns. TMS63112 06:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
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- OK, good enough, a lot of that could go in the intro grafs. As for the POV stuff, I'll get to that. I'm very busy at the moment.Daniel Case 03:48, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
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- Now as for the NPOV stuff. I've clarified about Jeb's birth, and I'll accept your earlier edit taking much of the later life stuff out and just condensing it to a single graf as it is now. But all the earlier incidents are documented in Bush on the Couch, and sourced there to various accounts of friends and family. I do believe that understanding his sister's death and its effect on him is very key to understanding him as a whole. Daniel Case 03:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Totally Disputed Label
Daniel Case has pointed out that this source is from "Bush on the Couch." I do not believe this source is reliable. The discussion is revolving around this point now. BlueGoose 03:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
- OK, Goose, state your case as to why the book isn't reliable. Simply calling it unreliable isn't going to work. Nor is citing the Amazon reviews. You seem to have an agenda. Daniel Case 03:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Daniel, let's assume good faith in this discussion. The strongest article would have specific citations to page numbers in frank's book, and any counter points from articles or books disputing his facts or his conclusions. Meanwhile, I have edited the article to source the speculation specifically to Frank's book. Readers can draw their own conclusions about the reliability of this source. TMS63112 04:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Is this article about Robin Bush now or a review of Justin Frank's "Bush on the Couch"? I do agree that this is a significant improvement, however. BlueGoose 04:25, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- I removed the totallydisputed tag after TMS's edits. BlueGoose 04:28, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- Some of this content might be more appropriate at the Bush on the Couch article. However, it is my understanding that the book deals with many issues besides the impact of Robin's death on GWB. This article summarizes those incidents Frank documents related to Robin's death. TMS63112 04:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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- The more that I think about it, the more I agree that this content belongs at Bush on the Couch. See you there.Daniel Case 04:57, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
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I don't quite understand something? Is this article about Robin Bush or President Bush's alleged "drinking problem". I agree that the death of his 4 year old sister would hit him pretty hard but it would do the same thing to all of us. Now, for that to have him spiral into a drinking problem, there is no way that it is even possible. Unless he has some sort of problems (which i know is not the case). You know what? I think that you people can't admit that President Bush is one of the best Presidents we've ever had. You people don't know a good President when you see one. Don't go bringing his little sister into the mix of it. That's not right. If you're going to complain about President Bush don't make it about his sister. OK? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.96.110.93 (talk • contribs)
[edit] One Writer
"One writer has argued that her death left a profound impact on her older brother, President George W. Bush" ... uhhh this screams for 1. a name 2. a source wherein this unnamed writer makes such a claim. Comeon, this is bush league.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.236.217 (talk • contribs)
- That's a reference to Justin Frank's Bush on the Couch, which should probably be clarified. Daniel Case 16:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] On an Unrelated Note
Does anybody know what sort of leukemia she had? I'm guessing because of her age that it was ALL, but I could be wrong. Dylan Slade 00:40, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- No. Information about her short happy life is extremely limited since only her family knows, and they're not saying (nor is there any great need for them to do so). That's an interesting call, but will remain speculation unless Barbara decides to say more. Daniel Case 03:11, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Verb tenses
Is it true that when "Robin Bush was born ... her family lived [in] part of a ... complex [which] had fallen into disrepair"? If not, why choose those verb tenses? D021317c 07:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- The result of someone else adding that bit about Compton and not really considering the full systemic impact of their change on the sentence. All it needs is a simple change to "has since". I'll do it. Daniel Case 14:04, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, looking that sentence over, a lot of the stuff about the building was really irrelevant to the subject of the article. So I reduced it to a single clause, that the building has since been demolished. Daniel Case 14:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
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- Very good. I reworded the paragraph for brevity. D021317c 19:12, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Prodding and merge suggestion
Instead of outright deleting this article per the prod tag, I propose merging any content that belongs into Bush on the Couch and redirectifying this. Consensus anyone? Daniel Case (talk) 22:00, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'd agree to that - what to go ahead and do it? --Strothra (talk) 22:06, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- I'm a little hesitant to delete this Robin Bush entry and dump the content in the "Bush on the Couch" section. In some weird way, it seems to imply that's all this four year old girl was -- a footnote in a psychoanalyst's case. All the same... Unless there's any other reason to talk about her, I agree to your suggestion. Merge the content into the "Bush on the Couch" article and delete the Robin Bush entry. --Nik (talk) 14:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
- No, we'll leave it as a redirect. Daniel Case (talk) 04:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
- I agree with Nik. It seems quite inappropriate to redirect to Bush on the Couch. If the individual is not notable are therefore not worthy of a separate Wikipedia entry, I think redirecting to Bush family would be much more appropriate. Deli nk (talk) 20:19, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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- I think you're right. I didn't know the Bush family article existed. Will edit so. Daniel Case (talk) 02:56, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Robin Bush as an article
I agree with the previous redirect to Bush family. I also believe that this could eventually develop into an article, if enough content is assembled. The first time I ever heard or saw of Robin Bush was at the Barbara Bush Library in North Houston. A bronze statue of Robin Bush stands there in the lobby, so there's your image. There is "Bush on the Couch". It also seems pretty likely that the Bush family has contributed or been involved in some sort of cancer charities over the years, because Robin died from leukemia. Once fleshed out, it would make an excellent "Did you know . . . " candidate on the homepage. I'm sure most people are unaware of Robin Deatonjr (talk) 05:52, 5 January 2008 (UTC)