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I'm confused by the following sentence: "More importantly, his sponsor for the election—as well as his father—was Arthur Wellesley, ..." When I read it I thought Arthur Wellesley was Peel's father. That's not the case, is it? Could someone who knows whether his father sponsored him or not or whatever was meant please reformulate this bit?

His father (also called Robert Peel) did sponsor his campaign, as well as the Duke of Wellington. But Wellington was not peel's father (otherwise he'd have been known as Robert Wellesley!)

I don't think we should move someone like Peel to this page. "Robert Peel" is fairly sufficient to identify him. john 21:09, 12 May 2004 (UTC)

I agree. Any objections to getting him moved back? Timrollpickering 17:36, 16 May 2004 (UTC)
None from me. Keep this as a redirect, though. Mackensen 17:43, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Extra picture

There's another shot of Peel on Wikipedia, but so far only Politics of the United Kingdom is using it. Here it is if anyone wants to find it easily:

Robert Peel

Timrollpickering 20:18, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't think Peel should be identified as a member of the "Conservative Party," Peel was known for being something of an independent. Also, his followers weren't known after his death as Peelites for nothing.

Peel was the acknowledged leader of the party between 1834 and 1846. He is considered by many to be the founder. He may have left the party but should be identified here as a Conservative as much as Ramsay MacDonald should be identified as Labour. Timrollpickering 20:48, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Agreed. Peel virtually refounded the party, and certainly was responsible for making the term 'conservative' popular. He was the first true Conservative, in that sense, and thus should be accorded recognition of the fact. Polocrunch 11:21, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd also suggest breaking Peel's life up, to make it easier to read, and including more detail on the actions of the governments in which he took part, particularly those actions for which he was mostly responsible. Polocrunch 11:21, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Clean up Request

I added the clean up request after noticing that the article is one great block. It should be divvyed up into section to make it less daunting. -- Benn M. 03:21, 2005 May 28 (UTC)

I gave cleaning it up a shot. -- ILFoxtrot 19:23 hrs. July, 19, 2005.
Thanks. Clean-up request removed. --Benn M. 07:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The Irish connection

The fact that he helped set up a police force in Ireland and that he was nicknamed "Orange Peel" IS actually true. Someone from my class edited this into Wikipedia as we are studying about that period in Irish history at the moment. I know that it seems a little weird and perhaps they should have cited sources but this is true as far as I am aware and so I think it was a mistake to edit it out. XYaAsehShalomX 18:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

The IP contributing that also added a great deal of vandalism to Wikipedia, which is why I thought that this was vandalism (well, that, and the fact that it's pretty weird). I've restored the contribution. Thanks for your help, and apologies for my itchy trigger finger. :) --Ashenai (talk) 18:12, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Peelers

In the main article it mentions policemen being nicknamed Peelers or Bobbies which it claims are still in use today. I've honestly never heard a policeman called a Peeler, but have regularly used the term Bobby - has the prior term gone out of usage? And if so perhaps the article should be updated? TheMoog 22:08, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Disagree, I still hear it used regularly, maybe it varies regionally.
(e.g. busies seems to be used only on Merseyside)
Wnjr (talk) 14:29, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Peel Tower / Statue

I think somebody should include & cross reference this with Peel Tower which was built on Holcombe Hill as a dedication, see Bury and Ramsbottom pages on the wiki. Also the statue of Sir Robert Peel outside the Robert Peel pub in the town centre.

[edit] The Great Famine

'As an aside in reference to the Repeal of the Corn Laws, Peel did make some moves to subsidise the purchase of food for the Irish, but this attempt was small and had little tangible effect. To criticise Peel for acting too late in repealing the Corn Laws, or for not giving enough subsidies to the Irish, shows a misunderstanding of the historical context.' No Englander did enough for the Irish before, during or after the Great Famine were more than ONE MILLION People died.

I found a reference for the sentence stating that Peel thought about repealing the Corn Laws before the Great Famine. I am not sure how to put in a citation, maybe someone else could insert it: Evans, Eric J. (1996) The Forging of the Modern State: Early Industrial Britain, 2nd ed., London and New York: Longman, 264 (C.U.)

I read that Peel wanted to solve the problems in Ireland but met with heavy resistance from his own party. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.44.203.96 (talk) 16:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disraeli

What is the picture of Disraeli doing in the "Corn laws and after" section? Granted, he was a successor of sorts, but the text does not actually mention him as it stands... 13:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)