Talk:Robert Franklin Stroud

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After viewing the movie Birdman of Alcatraz for the first time. I have been able to do nothing else but research Robert F. Stroud. My most curious questions are... where are the manuscripts he wrote on the prison systems ? What happened to the handwritten manuscripts from the two books written on birds ? Being that they are still in publication , where do the proceeds go now ? Just where is he laid to rest ? What really happened to Della May Jones-Stroud ? Did she ever actually take on the last name of Stroud ?

The facts as I have found them are not really always factual . Many of the questions have no answers to be found . Any help one may be able to give please do .

Thanks

The phrase "took advantage of ... Kitty" is a unnecessarily ambiguous. Was it a sexual assault and/or rape? If it was, I think it would be better to make it explicit. --Malcohol 12:59, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I made a few minor fixes and tried to make it flow a bit better, but this page definitely needs work from someone who knows the story better that me. The sources on the web tend to contradict each other. In particular: what were the circumstances of Stroud's first murder? Did his bird cures actually work? How old was Della Jones? What were the circumstances of his eventual transfer to Alcatraz? --Misterwindupbird 17:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Characterizations Based on Fictional Writings 2 bootlegging? 3 Some more on Robert Stroud 4 Disputed: President Wilson Involvement 5 The bird "cures" 6 I havent a clue what this means 7 possible stroud-vulture connection? 8 I'd fix this but...

[edit] Characterizations Based on Fictional Writings

In the penultimate section "Truth versus Fiction" is the quote "...Stroud was also known to write pornographic fiction, much of it perversely involving children. These surviving documents point to the fact that Stroud was at least a latent pedophile...." I'm not comfortable characterizing someone based on their fictional writings. I doubt that horror writers, for example, are especially violent or morbid. Moreover, in the previous sentence is "...much of it perversely involving children." The term "perversely" seems too opinionated, or maybe I'm thinking too journalistically.

To whomever maintains this article, I'd recommend excising the entire sentence containing the first quote and the word "perversely" from the second.

[edit] bootlegging?

Does anyone have a source for the claim Stroud was bootlegging from his cell? I'm somewhat skeptical. Was he really supposed to be secretly importing all the raw ingredients, operating a still operation in a cell, bribing everyone involved, and smuggling the booze out via his mail-order business? Even if it was possible, was it really so hard to get booze during the time that people would purchase it in this way? --Misterwindupbird 05:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Since there's no source, and nobody has spoken up, I removed the paragraph. --Misterwindupbird 04:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I believe if you go to www.alcatrez.com you will find information which does indicate that Robert Stroud was bootlegging from his cell.24.107.188.23 21:12, 11 March 2007 (UTC)stldiamond

[edit] Some more on Robert Stroud

I saw a television documentary on Alcatraz, and it said something worth noting about Robert Stroud. When some other inmates made a escape attempt, (that eventually failed), and gunfire was exchanged between the guards and the inmates attempting to escape, Mr. Stroud, risked his life to help some people who were in danger of being shot. That was probably one of the only times in his life he put himself on the line for his fellow humans, but, it deserves mention.204.80.61.10 14:33, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Bennett Turk

[edit] Disputed: President Wilson Involvement

The current wording of President and Mrs. Wilson's involvement in the case -- "secretly running the country" -- is not a neutral point-of-view, and does not factually agree with the Woodrow Wilson article. Propose to change to a more neutral tone. Generally, there are insufficient footnotes and references in this article. hadley 03:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The bird "cures"

This article states that the bird concoctions devised by Stroud were a real advance in bird medicine. However, I have read a book that says otherwise. I will see if I can find it and quote from it.--Mantanmoreland 22:40, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I havent a clue what this means

Robert Franklin Stroud (January 28, 1890 – November 21, 1963), known as the Birdman of Alcatraz, was a prisoner in Alcatraz who supposedly found solace from segregation in raising and selling birds. Despite his nickname, he never kept birds in Alcatraz, running his business until transferred to Alcatraz from Leavenworth.

I shouldn't have to read the story to understand the opening paragraph. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) 02:37, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

What part is confusing to you? It makes sense to me. Vivaldi (talk) 18:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] possible stroud-vulture connection?

just wondering...any chance Stan Lee based the Spider-Man villain the Vulture (comics) off of Stroud? They look somewhat identical and both are "birdmen" in a sense. just a thought...

Now that you metion it, they do look very much alike, just like Doctor Octopus looks like Roy Orbison. P.S. In the future, please sign name with 4~s. 204.80.61.110 17:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)Bennett Turk

[edit] I'd fix this but...

...I can't even figure out what it means.

Lead sentence of the "Birdman" section:

"While at hays, Stroud found three injured sparrows..."

What or where is "hays"? Does the article mean the prison at Leavenworth? Hays is of no help. Huw Powell (talk) 19:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)