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[edit] Why was the information regarding Orson Scott Card removed?

The fact is, it is a fact he appears in the Alvin Maker series. The author acknowledges this, and considering the many historical figures who appear therein are acknowledged as such in their respective Wikipedia articles (see Tecumseh, Tenskwatawa, and many others), it seems rather illogical. Can someone explain the rationale? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.211.220.238 (talk • contribs) 15 January 2006

I deleted it because I considered unimportant, and I'm not sure you can connect both names. If the book's character is referred to as Robert FitzRoy, feel free to add the comment again. Mariano(t/c) 09:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It is unimportant regarding purely his role in his history. However, considering it was under his legacy (generally things named after him) and this is a popular enough book series to merit that, well. And I only added that information after checking that I was right with the author. While the character is only referred to be name as a Captain Fitzroy, his age corresponds as does his ancestry and life story in general.

It would be good to see some references. I'm affraid I don't have the book with me. Please, create yourself an user to contribute to the Wikipedia. Mariano(t/c) 08:12, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I have several questions

  1. What is a Conservator for Merseyside? I know what Merseyside is.
  2. wisely declined to take any action against Te Rauparaha. Who or what is Te Rauparaha?
  3. He also insisted that the piratical New Zealand Company pay the Maori a realistic price for the land they claimed to have purchased. Is "piratical" in this sentence POV?
  4. $2.50 per hectare. Is that dollar sign correct?
  5. the Maori in the Far North, the Bay of Islands. Should this be in the Bay of Islands, or near the Bay of Islands? My understanding of NZ geography is limited.
  6. Hone Heke cut down the flagpole and Kororareka. The' flagpole? Is this a particular flagpole? and Kororareka?
  7. became superintendent of the Royal Naval Dockyards and Woolwich. What does it mean to be superintendent of Woolwich?

RickK 03:02, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

  1. Don't know
  2. A Maori Chief see [1]
  3. Its probably accurate, but hard to prove.
  4. Probably.
  5. There is something wrong with the statement. But not readily apparent what was originally intended.
  6. "and" should be "at". corrected and gave some context
  7. "and" should be "at". corrected

Popsracer 03:47, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Further to Popracer's commentt,

  1. FitzRoy did not have the troops or firepower to challenge Te Rauparaha.
  2. The sales tax was set at ten shillings per acre. When NZ currency went decimal the dollar was set at ten shillings. There are 2,47 acres in a hectare, hence approximately $2.50 per hectare.
  3. a) The Flagpole, and because of its historical significance it always will be "The Flagpole" stands on the hill above Russel aka Kororareka. It is not the same as the large flagpole on the Treaty Grounds at Waitangi near Paihia on the other side of the bay of Islands. That is a much more recent erection.

b}The original pole at Kororareka was donated by Hone Heke so he felt he had a proprietory right to cut it down in protest. ping 07:50, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

This article needs much more on Fitzroy's time as captain of the Beagle and his work in meteorology. I'll try to add some material when I have a chance, but at present it's very unbalanced. I doubt whether the man would have wanted to be remembered for his time in New Zealand! (Although having said that, he was, because of his fundamentalist Christian beliefs, mortified to have been connected with Darwin.) Jerry cornelius 05:01, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling of FitzRoy

I think the name should be written "Fitzroy" rather than "FitzRoy". The capitalisation of conflated names (FitzPatrick, LeGrand etc) is an American rather than a British convention, although things may have been different in 1831.

~RG —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.173.6.74 (talk • contribs)

Pass, though FYI Charles Darwin in The Autobiography of Charles Darwin refers to him as Fitz-Roy. Dunc|☺
Shown as FitzRoy consistently in Voyage of the Beagle, Charles Darwin (including Robert FitzRoy's 'Remarks with reference to the Deluge'), Penguin Books, London 1989 ISBN 0-14-043268-X dave souza 14 Nov 2005
The name Fitzroy comes from Old French and means Son of King. The surname was given to illegitimate children of the British monarch. It first started off as Fitz Roy. Gradually shorten to Fitz-Roy, then FitzRoy and finally Fitzroy. Around the time of Robert, FitzRoy was the most common variant. -- 222.153.168.247 08:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Who was Otway?

"the ship under Lieutenant Skyring sailed to Rio de Janeiro, where Otway made FitzRoy (temporary) Captain of the Beagle" -- So who was Otway? Robert Otway? - that article gives no relevant info. -- Writtenonsand 16:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, yes, Robert Otway, per HMS Beagle. -- Writtenonsand 16:14, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh heck, it was in the article all along. Need another cup of cofee, I guess. -- Writtenonsand 16:31, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This Thing of Darkness

I've made the link to the shortlist an inline citation, however note that there's no citation for "thoroughly researched" which appears questionable from Amazon reviews – if "Fitzroy is depicted as a devout man of God, struggling to maintain his beliefs in a brutal and rapidly changing time of colonisation and advancement in science. Darwin is portrayed as an aloof and arrogant young man who is more oft than not in conflict with the more traditional views of Fitzroy." accurately indicates the book's description of the Beagle period, it conflicts with the assessment of current historians and with FirzRoy's own writings as discussed in the article. .. dave souza, talk 18:59, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FitzRoy's book

His journals are available online at the Darwin Online site - worth a link?Skipperjeru 11:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Good idea....dave souza, talk 20:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)