Talk:Robert Dudley, 1st Earl of Leicester
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Just as a matter of interest, what is the source of the evidence for the breast cancer theory? Deb 12:38 21 Jun 2003 (UTC)
- According to Elizabeth the Queen, by Alison Weir, a Professor Iain Aird suggested in in 1956. The only primary evidence given in that book is that Alvaro de Quadra, a Bishop and a Spanish ambassador, wrote in April 1559 of her having "a malady of the breast". She implies that other sources confirm some kind of illness, and doesn't give details as to why breast cancer in particular was the conclusion. Onebyone 01:03, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- In the fictional book (based on the true story) of "The Virgin's Lover", by Philippa Gregory, it states that rumours were spread of Lady Amy Dudley being sick with breast cancer. Scotteh 13:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- And it claimed that Elizabeth's party was most likely involved in her death, or suicide, however it is well known that we can't always trust Gregory's works historically; they are part fiction...Sweetlife31 (talk) 06:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actually, as I recall it, they started in the book that Amy's "heart was breaking". It was implied she might be poisoned, but I don't remember any mention of anything relating to breast cancer. And Philippa Gregory's work is not to be taken that seriously--she's well-known for her, er, "creative" changes to history.68.79.11.47 16:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- And it claimed that Elizabeth's party was most likely involved in her death, or suicide, however it is well known that we can't always trust Gregory's works historically; they are part fiction...Sweetlife31 (talk) 06:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- In the fictional book (based on the true story) of "The Virgin's Lover", by Philippa Gregory, it states that rumours were spread of Lady Amy Dudley being sick with breast cancer. Scotteh 13:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Are we sure we're not seeing a portrait of his son -- the mapmaker? Sparky 03:33, 10 Dec 2003 (UTC)
- Could be. Both his sons were also called Robert, weren't they, so it would be an easy mistake to make. Onebyone 01:05, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
At its start, this article suggests that Dudley and Elizabeth met in the Tower of London. Later it states that they were friends from childhood. This inconsistency should be addressed.
- They were friends from childhood. Scotteh 13:37, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, because Dudley was a bit low-born, it is probably more likely that Elizabeth and he became friends later on (probably around the time he sold some of his estates and gave the money to her). Kings generally didn't allow their heirs (even if Elizabeth was considered a bastard) to socialize with the descendants of traitors when the traitor had only been one's grandfather....68.79.11.47 16:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
But the Dudleys -- Leicester's father -- were not out of favor in the latter part of Henry's reign, which is when it is believed that Robert and Elizabeth first met, along with the other royal children. --Hiraeth 01:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Governor of the Netherlands
Was Leicester really the last governor before the German occupation?--Anglius 03:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- I removed the infobox, since the two positions were completely separate - one being an English governor for a short period during the 1580's, and the second one being the WWII German occupation governor. The Netherlands didn't have governor's in between then.
Arun 03:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
The page still implies Seyss-Inquart as a "successor" to Leicester. This is at best spurious. As above, there was no subsequent English governor of the Netherlands. [[[User:24.69.20.94|24.69.20.94]] 04:31, 8 January 2007 (UTC)Steve Allen]
[edit] Baaah
Being as how we're not mindreaders who lived with Elizabeth I (or I hope we aren't), how can we truly say she wished to marry him? She may have flirted with him a lot, but it isn't as if she said, "I wish I could have married Robert." I think we should change the first sentence, and I will do so if this isn't replied to soon.68.79.11.47 16:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
- Who the heck are you? Anyway, I second your statement. Scotteh 13:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Birthdate
I changed his birthdate from June 24 1532 to September 7 1533. In Elizabeth Jenkin's Elizabeth and Leicester she adresses the issue and cites several sources that state Robert and Elizabeth were born on the same day. Since I could only find one mention of the June 24 birthday and no comtemporary sources on it, the September 7 date seems much more likely.
