Talk:Robert Baden-Powell's sexual orientation/AfD history
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This page is intended to fairly summarise the points made during this article's three AfDs. Please to not continue discussions here.
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[edit] History
Three deletions discussions have occurred.
- The first AFD was closed on 5 March 2006 with a decision of no consensus
- The second AFD was closed on 27 February 2007 with a decision of no consensus
- The third AFD was closed on 29 February 2008 with a decision of keep
[edit] Background
The information in this article was originally in a subsection of the main Robert Baden Powell article. After extensive discussions on that talk page, the information was spun-off into a summary style sub-article.
[edit] Options and arguments
All unique arguments and counter-arguments have been included below.[1]
[edit] Delete
The unique reasons given for deletion of the article have been as follows, with counter-arguments inset where given:
- Baden-Powell's sexuality is not notable
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- Given Baden-Powell founded the scouting movement, theories on a sexual preference for young boys are notable.
- Notable given the "Scouts' current policy discriminating against young gay men"
- It is speculative research, i.e. not based on reliable sources
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- Theories presented are well-referenced to main biographical texts on Baden-Powell
- It is a personal attack on Baden-Powell and/or the scouting movement
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- "Attack" implies that a variation of sexuality is shameful
- Sourced investigation of sexuality "humanizes", doesn't "attack"
- It is "revisionist history"
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- The article content comes from a very well researched biography
- "'Revisionism' is what historians do, as our base of information grows"
[edit] Keep
The unique reasons given for keeping the article have been as follows, with counter-arguments inset where given:
- Article is fairly written, well sourced, notable and maintains NPOV
- Too long to merge into main article
- Decision to create this article was previously decided by consensus on main article's talk page
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- Talk page consensus was not as strong as claimed
- Previous discussions are not a bar to revisiting the topic
- Scouts are trying to bury "incriminating" material
- Merging back into main article would restart debate there
- Discussion of article content is on-going, and can't continue if the article is deleted
- Deleting would be censorship
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- Deleting the article is different than deleting the content. Content could be remerged into the main article
- First two debates decided to "keep" and nothing has changed
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- Previous discussions are not a bar to revisiting the topic
- First two AfD ended in "no consensus", not "keep"
- Summary in main article is too brief
- Easier to maintain as a separate article
- Shouldn't merge as article is more about the theories surrounding his sexuality than about Baden-Powell himself
[edit] Merge
The unique reasons given for merging the information back into the main article have been as follows, with counter-arguments inset where given:
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- It's not a POVFORK but a summary style spin-off. All POVs are fairly represented in both summary and sub-article.
- Having a separate article provides undue weight to the subject
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- The information in was removed from the main article originally to avoid undue weight there
- The fact that this much sourced information exists speaks against it being given undue weight
[edit] Footnotes
- ^ There is one exception. All arguments of the form "The article is X" were countered at some point by "The article is not X". Such a counter-argument can be assumed for each listed argument