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[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

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[edit] No problem

Done. New Guinea campaign and geography articles need a lot of work. Your efforts are appreciated. Grant | Talk 09:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] stats

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[edit] Images

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[edit] Image source problem with Image:StDunstanFrinsted.jpg

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[edit] Did you know (DYK)

[edit] Mote Park

[edit] Nomination

You have about 3 or 4 days before it is (prob.) on the main page .... OK? Victuallers 13:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] DYK box

Updated DYK query On 14 November 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mote Park, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trial of Penenden Heath

Updated DYK query On 10 November 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Trial of Penenden Heath, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Cheers, Daniel 15:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] St Giles, Wormshill

Updated DYK query On 11 December 2007, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Giles, Wormshill, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--EncycloPetey (talk) 23:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sharsted Court

Updated DYK query On January 2, 2002, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Sharsted Court, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Happy new year, and congratulations! · AndonicO Talk 12:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] River Len, Kent

I don't know anything about the damming of the river to form the lake at Mote Park. Do you know for certain that the lake was created just to form a feature in the park, or could that be the site of a watermill? Mjroots (talk) 08:14, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It was dammed as part of the landscaping as far as I know - the Maidstone Borough Council guide to the park suggests as much - to form a lake for the main house. Not sure a mill was involved though I'd have thought it must've had some ramifications for the town. Cheers Dick G (talk) 09:44, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
It was the site of a mill, Pole Mill, Boxley. See River Len page. Mjroots (talk) 09:53, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Great. Many thanks. An interesting article, cheers Dick G (talk) 21:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wormshill

Hello! Thank you for the reply. Wormshill is looking very good; a vast improvement upon the previous version. I hope WP:UKCITIES helped?

Certainly next thing I think should be implimented (though it is very labourious!), is converting all the citations with a Citation template. It can seem like a thankless task, but it does serve a purpose in standardising the look of citation, as well as aiding in combatting link rot for internet sources.

I realise that you are limited in your writing by the lack of source material. I certainly found it difficult in writing about Shaw and Crompton last spring, dispite it having a population of over 20k. I'm sure a village of 198 people may not have the same wealth of material as perhaps other places do. Is there anything in the printed, published realm that could help? Perhaps a local history book?

On the location of images, have you considered placing one within the infobox, akin to say, Runcorn? The image of St Giles church might be well served there - but you may beg to differ. It's just a suggestion to aid in dispersing and balancing the photos.

Do you know what local government district the parish fell within from 1894 - 1974? It might be worth a mention. Perhaps also, some of the latter sections could be amalgamated into a single "Culture and community" section, encompassing, filmography, community, notable people? It might stop the choppyness of some of the paragraphing.

Does that help? -- Jza84 · (talk) 13:34, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for response. WP:UKCITIES was definitely useful. To be honest I knew the citations would need work but was trying to avoid it! Will get onto it when I get time, I agree it would improve the look and feel of the page.
Am more hamstrung than most since I now live in Australia and English local history books are hard to come by. I would like to get some more material though as I appreciate some of the statements look a bit flimsy and in some 1,000 years, the place must have more of an ascertainable history.
The local government district is an interesting point. Will look into it - I suspect that will be easy enough to track down. I'll also merge the sections you mentioned - was not sure how rigid the WP:UKCITIES template was in that regard. Cheers for your help once again. Dick G (talk) 21:11, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
UKCITIES are guidelines rather than policy; they certainly are not a barrier to success, simply more of a style guide. Certainly once you have History, Governance, Geography, Demography and Economy in there, you're (much more) free to merge and retitle sections according to the settlement's needs. Certainly, Manchester, a major city, is going to have different needs to Wormshill!
I do think you have done fantastically well in raising the standard of an article about such a small settlement. It could possibly be the first UK settlement of this size to obtain GA status! Once you've tackled the citation, I'd upload your new version to the main article space, then, take it to the Kent WikiProject - they may have some sources that you were not aware off. Also, consider going to Peer Review for some feedback from the wider community.
I've placed Wormshill on hold, but be mindful, there is no rush! We can certainly hang on for a couple of weeks; I realise WP:UKCITIES must be quite new to you. -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:47, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
Ok, it's all but rewritten to the limit of my abilities now. Citations fixed and other tidying completed. Have listed it for Peer Review and flagged with WP:KENT. Thanks for all your input so far Dick G (talk) 06:56, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wormshill GA nom

Hello! Sorry for the delay! I will be completing a full review for Wormshill within the next 24 hours! From a cursory glance, it appears to be a pass! -- Jza84 · (talk) 03:19, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it. It is certainly the first article about a UK settlement of such a small size to reach GA! Fantastic!... Next... WP:FA?? Best of luck! -- Jza84 · (talk) 21:58, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

I think it might have been removed because someone uploaded it to http://en.veropedia.com/a/Wormshill and they will not use Fair use images. Just a guess, but I see that it is uploaded there. So its remove is probably not because anyone on wikipedia contests it. Or they may have removed it for their own veropedia reasons e.g. whoever uploaded it thought it was better without the image. Mattisse 22:07, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, but disappointingly it seems it is being contested by a Wikipedia admin... see here. I hope to be able to keep it on the page but am pessimistic about over-zealous editors and their narrow interpretation of policy. As a qualified lawyer I am bemused by the paranoia on images such as this Dick G
Emotive comments struck out by me on reflection Dick G (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rev Disturnell

This wasn't worth littering the Wormshill talk, but in "early example of ... longevity", I deleted "early". This user thinks of, say, Methuselah as being an "early" example. Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 05:09, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Another tiny thing

"The Spring and Harvest festivals are horticultural shows including the surrounding villages whilst the country fair (or fête) in the early summer ..." I believe I'm the only US-En speaker on WP who understands that "whilst" is a perfectly good word in Br-En; however, Tony1's excellent article on FA-quality prose (search "additive links") points out that whilst/while should not be used for general conjunction. "Let's take a walk while it's still cool" (at the same time that it is cool)", but not "My car is blue, while my house is white". Forgive me if this sounds like a lecture rather than an explanation, but I was afraid that otherwise, you or another Brit would snort, "Another bloody Yank who goes around deleting 'whilst'!" "While" would have been deleted here, also. Feel free to delete this message, too. Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 05:57, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyeditor review

Thanks for the comments. It's refreshing and broadening to edit articles about which one knows nothing, and it was indeed interesting to learn and copy-edit the dialectical differences. Please let me know how the article fares, in case I miss it, and if I'm ever fortunate enough to visit England, perhaps you'll be visiting family, and we'll meet at the Blacksmiths Arms for a cold one. Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 05:33, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Just saw the Barnstar - thanks! For that, the beer is on me :) Warm beer in Hasted's "cold, bleak" climate sounds good! (Is the ale cold?) Unimaginative Username (talk) 05:40, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Never mind -- just learned yet another piece of Br-En: "Beer" and "ale" are used interchangably, correct? Two different products here, one is more the lager type, the other either genuine British or brewed in that style. Unimaginative Username (talk) 05:46, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FAC review comments

What did you do to step on Tony's toes? Of course, there were some good points in the review--there always are; none of us are perfect, and another pair of eyes always helps--but I must agree with your assessment of the overall tone. I noted specific "objections to the objections", and would have done more, but it's becoming late and time to quit. I wish you'd have told me of these--I'm always interested in feedback, positive or negative, on any of my work, and in this case, some of the censure seemed quite unwarranted. Keep me posted. Cheers anyway, Unimaginative Username (talk) 06:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Authors/principal editors definitely need to appear to be (and be) willing to respond to reviewers and not be married to their words. Independent editors like copy-editors, however, don't have this natural attachment to the existing prose; in fact, I thought perhaps I gave the article too brutal of a vetting :) I don't understand why an Australian editor (T1) would have more problems with UK-En than this relatively-uninitiated Yank did. From his user-page: "I like the way in which the project brings anglophones into a relatively homogenous international community to share their wonderful language." Doesn't seem that that happened here. Over and out for now, Unimaginative Username (talk) 06:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
One last thought (actually, two). Pardon the unpardonable braggadocio, but *strictly* for the purpose of establishing that I'm not just some illiterate user off the street who slapped the "Copy-Editor" logo on a user page: The other article I was working on along with yours, Massospondylus, was c/e'd by moi, pursuant to GAC, on 7 December. It was promoted to GA a couple of days later. The principal editors took it to FAC almost immediately (rather unusual?), received review feedback, made some changes accordingly, and asked me to re-copy-edit the revised version. I did, also making some changes in accord with the FAC, and completed the copy-edit at 04:28 on 19 December. It was promoted to FA less than 24 hours later. I will leave it to those editors as to whether the correlations were accidental. But this user is not totally un-credentialed.
The other thought is that in fact, I had asked T1 for help about whether to put pub names in "quotes" or Blacksmiths Arms italics. I thanked him for his answer and mentioned that he was doing an FAC on it, and I was doing my best with the article. Sort of get to know the other frequent users, etc., this "anglophone community" that he mentioned. Perhaps he took that as soliciting some sort of favoritism for the FA review, and felt the need to be unduly harsh? Or it could be just coincidence. Just very hard to understand the whole thing. To sleep, perchance to dream, Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for straightening that out. I can't offer my own views on the FAC, since I am likely the one who will promote or archive the article (unless Raul happens to get to it before I do); I can't be judge and jury. I can offer the advice that you heed Tony's comments and do your best to satisfy him, as he is a respected FAC reviewer. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 23:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

If I may be allowed to comment? Tony1 may be a respected FA reviewer, but that does not mean he is immune to valid criticism. I do believe that the tone of some of his comments, both in this FAC and in others, could easily be considered unprofessional. He has in the past stated that wikipedia demands brilliant prose of a professional standard in its articles. I think it is reasonable for us to demand professional behaviour from its FAC reviewers too, and, although many of his points were valid, the tone in which he raised them or reacted to questions about them was unprofessional.  DDStretch  (talk) 09:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other FAC comments

Thanks for the contact about this articles candidature. I will post a note about this at WP:UKGEO and try to take a look at this within the next day or two.... You may be interested in taking a look at Neilston when you get chance - I'm currently working on bringing this to GA myself. -- Jza84 · (talk) 01:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

  • No problem; the text is most very well-written, and I look forward to your contributions on other UK-related articles (which have needed far more help than has the one on Wormshill, although the general standard has improved over the past year). Tony (talk) 03:26, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Further copyedit

Sure, I'll take a look. I may not get through the whole thing but I'll see what I can do. I'll make comments on the article talk page to avoid cluttering up the FAC. Mike Christie (talk) 21:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you don't agree with any of my edits, just revert them; no need to worry about hurting my feelings. I'm happy to talk about them if you like, but I'm also fine with you just working with whatever you want to keep. Mike Christie (talk) 23:21, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Windmills

I've added the windmills detail in. Knew it wasn't the Surrey Beddington as that would be in Farries & Mason's book The Windmills of Surrey and Inner London - if there was a windmill there! Mjroots (talk) 23:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't have a copy of the 1819-43 OS map, just WCF's word for it that the windmills are marked. Maybe someone else will be able to supply an extract. Rewrite that part as necessary, I don't mind.

PS - how about reorganising this page, like I've done with my talk page. Saves having stuff all over the place! Mjroots (talk) 00:22, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Oops, wrong place again! Too near bed time!! Mjroots (talk) 00:24, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Barnstar

The Geography Barnstar
I hereby award Rjgibb a Geography Barnstar for his fine work on Wormshill, which is now featured cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Great work. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 10:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That little gold star ...

It didn't always look like Wormshill was going to make it, but your persistence and perseverance paid. Congratulations! --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 03:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations mate. Delighted such a small village can make it to FA in the face of a not insignificant amount of initial resistance.--John Gibbard (talk) 14:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations on a job well-done. I never doubted you would push through the brambles. Keep writing, and please let me know when you've got something else delicious to work on. Finetooth (talk) 17:29, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] River Bourne, Kent

Hi, I'm still not sure about uploading photos from Geograph. Square TQ6152 oicture titled 'Kent Cottages' shows the mill cottages to Hamptons Paper Mill. Can you add this to the article please? Mjroots (talk) 10:51, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Image added and response on your talk page Dick G (talk) 11:48, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Anthemoessa

Hi! I created a page called Anthemoessa. It's about the island of the Sirens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthemoessa Would you mind editing it please? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 06:46, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sirenum_scopuli

Hi! Thank for editing it! Would you mind merging Anthemoessa with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirenum_scopuli like you suggested? Thanks! Neptunekh (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging Articles

How do you merge articles? Neptunekh (talk) 13:19, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sharsted Court

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia by creating the page Sharsted Court. Your test worked, and the page that you created has been or soon will be deleted. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you want to do. Take a look at the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 00:06, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

Thankyou for your welcome back! I have been in the throes of Dartford and its various offshoots, but I will certainly have a look at Maidstone when I have time... Happy New Year! Peter Shearan (talk) 13:41, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Somerset FAC

Thanks for your comments on the Somerset FAC at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Somerset. As a team of editors I believe we have now addressed all your concerns - perhaps you'd take another look?— Rod talk 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Somerset FAC reboot

Unfortunately there has been a problem with FAC (possibly due to transcluded pages/templates & overall page size). As a result several nominations, including Somerset, have had to be restarted and I have been informed that all previous commentary (both supporting and opposing), including yours is void. As a result would you be kind enough to review the page and place any comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Somerset. Thanks— Rod talk 19:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re "An Editorial Viewpoint"

You hit the nail on the head. This quote from your FAC—This will be a sticking point. The article cannot be promoted if in breach of MOS.—appears as a power trip and as nearly unilateral, given that most of MOS has been set up by three people. An article will always be "in breach" of some aspect of MOS, because its labyrinthine guidelines ensure it. The hyper-enforcement and excessive development of the manual of style have been, I think, one of the most destructive efforts, by completely good-faith users, impacting article development during the last year or more. It is apparent to me that the type of person most willing to bother with featured article submission is, perhaps, an earnest high school student who will happily scamper about correcting style elements, because some "rule" says so, and after all, they're learning about the community they're exploring by doing so. But he or she is likely writing about an album, a TV show episode, a video game, and so on. My pet theory is that the "style-not-content" review style has, on average, encouraged my hypothetical student to write on Wikipedia, while discouraging the hypothetical scientist, literature professor, librarian, or psychologist—all, perhaps, a little less receptive to having their substantive contribution ignored in favor of discussion about referencing format, dots in captions, how to write a measurement, and the like. But I wonder which group is inherently more capable of building important encyclopedia articles? What I'm saying is that this ever-growing review style has and will continue to skew FA candidates towards minor and non-academic subject matter, because reviewers are acting as unhealthy agents of selection for the type of editor willing to submit a FAC. (Wait until the developing effort to mandate that "non-breaking spaces (" ") must go here and here and here" gets hold in FAC! Banality and frustration galore!)

I apologize; I'm just a passerby with a viewpoint to share after reading your viewpoint! –Outriggr § 03:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

No, I didn't retire (hehe) for those reasons. Other factors influenced me, including concerns about wikipedia as an organization and its conflicts of interest (ethics, if you will). And just an icky feeling that "trying to improve articles" is the last thing that the place is really about: from secretive admin behavior to fair-use image bots, much is not inspiring. I ought to be able to consider that I'm contributing to posterity, not wikipedia, by being here, but it's hard to do that. I do sense that every GFDL contribution is mostly a contribution to Wales' Wikipedia, because that entity is what will have to be attributed in re-use. Short version... regards, –Outriggr § 00:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Doping at the 2007 Tour de France

[edit] Your copyedit request

On 17 September 2007, you made a request to the League of Copyeditors for a copyedit on Doping at the 2007 Tour de France. Because of a heavy backlog and a shortage of copyeditors, we have been unable to act on your request in a timely manner, for which we apologize. Since your request, this article may have been subject to significant editing and may no longer be a good candidate for copyediting by the League. If you still wish the League to copyedit this article, please review this article against our new criteria and follow the instructions on the Requests page. This will include your request in our new system, where it should receive more prompt attention. Finetooth (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] UKCITIES and Public services

Hello,

As one of our FA editors (for Wormshill), I wondered how you felt about the proposals being made at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_UK_geography/How_to_write_about_settlements#Power_and_resources regarding a possible expansion to the guidelines to encompass Public services. You're input would be very welcome. -- Jza84 · (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mopping Up

Thanks for continually following my contributions and correcting my sloppy edits :) --John Gibbard (talk) 16:55, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Crocodile Oil

Please if you are able do something about the "Crocodile Oil" page. Have done my best in my clumsy ignorant way. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.0.44.176 (talk) 10:00, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

No worries. It needed nothing more subtle than a complete deletion of some blatant advertising. Expect someone (the original author?) will object to the changes in any event...Dick G (talk) 05:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for that. I'm now registered, not just IP 92.0.44.176 Almost-instinct (talk) 11:45, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and I was 92.0.145.142, too ;-) Almost-instinct (talk) 22:42, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry, I'm thoroughly over my desire to see humour on WP - but I've noticed that some contributors take a dry-as-dust tone, saturated with Latin-rooted terminology. One of the qualities of English is the variety of tone, with different words available meaning pretty much the same thing (eg go - depart - exit) A pair of general rules of readability - which to my mind is even more important on the screen than it is on the page - would be, firstly, to use the most natural word rather than the most impressive and secondly, to avoid cumbersome formulaeic constructions. But I'm not saying anything original here! Almost-instinct (talk) 13:41, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Advice please

Could you advise me which of the various rules the most recent edit of this is breaking is the most pertinent? Point of view? The rules on biogs of living people? Just being rubbish? May I undo? I'm not sure of the form. Talk about poacher turned gamekeeper, eh?! Thank you! Almost-instinct 20:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you (again!) Almost-instinct 22:52, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

More advice please: could you cast an eye over the "copyright" section of Talk:Philip Larkin and add your tuppence worth? Almost-instinct 22:46, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Does this kind of thing appeal at all? almost-instinct 22:37, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Will do. I'm not sure I'm expecting much, but I'm curious about what goes on... WP talk pages are interesting place for people-watching; it's also interesting how easy it is to get sucked into disagreements about things, even if one has resolved never to get involved in these kinds of things. I'm also not sure how much momentum my attendance here will have once if done everything I can for Philip Larkin and associated pages. When I saw what a state it was in 6 weeks ago, I felt embarrassed on behalf WP and also England, and since the facts are very easily available knew I'd be able to do something. Another thing else which has interested me is the sheer quantity of care and attention shown by other editors working on the PL pages, despite the fact that they know next to nothing about him. Goes to show the benefits of the WikiProjects for places: regional pride gets channelled very usefully. almost-instinct 19:53, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neil Entwistle

hey just wanted to say thanks for your input on Neil Entwistle, you made some great points. i did realize right after i commented that simply merging the pages without further discussion was not a reasonable "solution" (i was not the one who linked them, i managed to restrain myself from commandeering the articles :). thanks also for (restating) your justification for deleting the merge tags, i somehow missed that from your first comment, and your suggestion to postpone serious merge discussions seemed logical. anyway. it all just really stood out as level-headed and constructive, i had to say thanks - Shadowsill (talk) 05:10, 11 June 2008 (UTC)