Talk:River Irwell

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I don't think Greater Manchester is a county any longer?

The river rises on Deerplay Moor - is this actually in Cliviger?

I think it should be made clear that the Irwell enters the city of Salford (at Clifton) before it enters Manchester.

Greater Manchester is a county! This is a long winded but resolved issue both here on Wikipedia and elsewhere, due to broad and accepted consensus, administrative issues, and also legal status. However I am writing just to ask a question; doesn't the River Beal (which runs through Shaw and Crompton and Milnrow) join the River Irwell as a tributary? Thanks, Jhamez84 17:12, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

-Sorry I see it joins the River Roch first! Thanks, Jhamez84 22:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

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According to page 91 of Hyde, M., O'Rourke, A. & Portland, P. (2004). Around the M60: Manchester's Orbital Motorway. Altrincham: AMCD (Publishers) Ltd. ISBN 1897762305. , the Irwell "rises as a spring in a field on Irwell Farm, north of Bacup in Lancashire". This contradicts the current wording in the article. Any body have any commentary about this discovery? --Jza84 |  Talk  00:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

By coincidence, I was just reading the same book myself. Certainly I don't find the present picture of a field with no water in sight as the source of the Irwell to be terribly convincing. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 00:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I've only proof read the book this evening, but from that alone, I've spotted a few dodgy quotes... Apparently, Alkrington is now Manchester's greatest (or something comparable) stately park, Chadderton's mills have become Oldham's and "Greater Manchester County" (their capitalisation) was abolished in 1983 (!?) "lasting only 9 years". Also, a little more sadly if you ask me, the Industrial Revolution is now just "industrial revolution". On the flipside there's some interesting little facts, but I'm worried about some of the fact checking!... I noticed Chat Moss gets a mention too.

So, rant over, are you happy for me to make the change above? The current claim is unsourced, but can't imagine anyone adding that without reason. --Jza84 |  Talk  01:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikpedia's Chat Moss article sets the gold standard so far as I'm concerned. Accurate, well-researched, and beautifully written. Whoever wrote that deserves a medal. :lol:

To be serious though, Richerman's done an awful lot of work on the Irwell article, so I'd be inclined to wait until he's given his opinion. --Malleus Fatuorum (talk) 01:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The book I've got say's something about it rising on or near a farm north of Bacup at Irwell Springs (I think), I'll check it tonight. I think that it is on Deerplay Moor but I'll have to check up on that. I'm not too happy with that photo either as you can't see any water on it but it was the only one I could find on Geograph. Looks like I'll have to get out the pith helmet, hire a few native bearers, go up there, and take one myself. Richerman (talk) 14:15, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If you go to http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/673827 and click on the map below, then go up to the north-west a little, you'll find that Irwell Spring is on Deerplay Moor. I think the farm is called Irwell Farm if memory serves me right. Richerman (talk) 14:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)