Talk:Rivalries in the National Football League

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[edit] Chicago/St. Louis/Phoenix/Arizona Cardinals vs. Chicago Bears

considering this is the oldest rivalry in prfessional football history, I think it should be included It's had some great moments as well, most recently denny green's infamous "speech" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.189.94.223 (talk) 06:14, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Giants vs. Niners

Somebody (I don't feel qualified) needs to put this one in. 80's battles for NFC title and that wacky field goal rekick in the playoffs in 2001 (?) Definitely the rivalry of the 80's from my POV. Xoloz 10:18, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

ask and ye shall receive. i covered the 2003 playoff matchup, which was certainly the type of game that makes a rivalry. i don't know a lot about the 80's matchups so feel free to add that. Simishag 21:33, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Overall Article

The all-time record of the teams in the rivalry against each other should be added in.

I'm not sure that level of detail is warranted here. The stats would also inevitably get stale. However, a reference to an outside source such as [1] would be appropriate, so I will add that. Simishag 23:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
I actually think that would be pretty cool! But my gosh, who in the world would want to count all of those? You can't have one without having all of them, you know? Rattlerbrat 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

For the Chiefs and Dolphins, what about the 1990 and 1994 playoff games between the teams? Or for the Giants-Eagles, the two games of the 2001 season, or the finale of 2002? Or for the Eagles-Cowboys, Philly's 4th and 1 stop in 1995 over the champs and the two games they split in 1996? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.49.147.119 (talk • contribs) 21:24, 18 November 2006

[edit] Define "rivalry"?

What's the criteria for a "rivalry" here? As this article stands, Dallas fights with darn-near-everybody. (The Giants? The Eagles? The Packers?) In reality, IMO, our only "rivals" are the Redskins, for old school history, and the 49ers because of of the 90s (and even that's fizzld out). A lot of what I'm seeing isn't really rivalry-based as much as it is Notable Stuff That Happened in Some Games Over the Years. Rattlerbrat 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Actually, I think it can be agreed upon that the Dallas Cowboys has a rivalry with their entire division.--Attitude2000 16:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, that's just competitiveness, frankly. But a note should be made of the fact that nobody seems to care for Dallas, except, well, Dallas Bizznot 14:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pittsburg Steelers vs. Philadelphia Eagles?

How many significant games have been played between these two Pennsylvania teams? I admit that I do not have the credentials to be an NFL expert, but I reckon that these two teams have something to prove to each other, given their close proximity.

Actually, no. These two teams don't have the rivalry that many people would assume they do. Plus, they even merged during WWII, making the Steagles,so therefore, so that even made the owner of the Eagles a Steeler owner and vice versa, so there is really not alot of competition between the two teams.

[edit] Chargers/Raiders

If someone could rephrase the "swashbuckling raiders", that would be nice. It's a well written section, but could use some rewriting to make it less biased. I second the idea of the rivalry, though: the chargers.com forums are half about how bad the Raiders (Gayders Faiders) are. Bizznot 14:08, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Out-of-control addition of rivalries

It seems as if any fan of a team can just add their team + (random team they've had at least one good game with) and make a section. I know everyone wants to make instant history but in most instances a rivalry needs time to develop. The Baltimore vs. Tennessee section cites Steve McNair moving from Tennessee to Baltimore as a significant event. I am willing to discuss why this is not significant (Montana to Chiefs does not start rivalry, though it led to one good game between them) if someone wants to contact me. This article should have some kind of limit, otherwise it loses its usefulness. Backstroke54 07:21, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I whole heartedly agree. I was hoping to pull up this page and learn about the Lions-Bears, the Steelers-Browns, or (of course) the Eagles-Cowboys. But the Falcons-Panthers? Bucs-Raiders? Bucs-Steelers? They may have had a good game or two, but this is too much. I'm going to heavily trim down his article unless no one objecs. -04:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
Go for it the list is way too long and ridiculous. Significant rivalries in the NFL should mean they're significant. Hell, according to the list, the Steelers are rivaled with every team in the NFL.--aviper2k7 04:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm going to go through them one-by-one, and give a reason for deletion in the edit summary. Perhaps later I will reorganize into different categories, so we can avoid sections with non-rivalries like "intra-conference". Patstuart(talk)(contribs) 04:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vikings-Giants

Never thought that was much of one Smith03 20:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Philadelphia Eagles versus Dallas Cowboys

Should something about TO be added? or is it too short-term?

Bizznot 20:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article is getting ridiculous

The whole thing is original research and unverified. This article is supposed to say "Significant Rivalries in the NFL", but there's way too many of them. I would think a significant rivalry would be Giants Eagles, or Packers Bears, or significant rivalries like that, but "Cleveland Browns vs. Baltimore Ravens"? Where are the sources that this is a significant rivalry? Every team has a rivalry with each other, especially in a division, but it doesn't mean it's a significant rivalry. I'm going to remove some of them without sources.++aviper2k7++ 18:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The Browns-Ravens thing actually could be considered a rivalry on one level since it's old-Browns versus new-Browns. I don't know if anybody outside of Cleveland cares about it, though. I would agree with you that I wouldn't call it significant. Roofi's Publicist 03:27, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
browns/ravens gone. Please proon list as you see fit (you should have seen it before). 128.118.150.26 03:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the first poster; everybody is simply trying to promote their own team's supposed 'rivalries', and in doing so the article has lost a proper sense of encyclopedic focus or weighting. In some ways it is little more than a trivia article.
To be honest some of the additions constitute the sort pedantry that spoils many elements of Wikipedia. Someone really needs to start making authoritative cuts and trim the excess material down.Gunstar hero 19:28, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Too much detail about too many games of moderate importance weigh it down. Way too much info on recent decades with a paucity of information about great games/rivalries from earlier decades. For example, Bears/Giants and Bears/Redskins don't even make the list, despite several historic NFL title games in the 30s and 40s. The list of rivalries should be edited down using criteria (flexible but critical) that help single out the rivalries that really have something behind them: history (Bears/Packers) geography (Browns/Bengals) a SERIES of great games, with more emphasis on playoff games (Browns/Broncos). Also, the format of stuffing every point into the "signature moment" cubbyhole is limiting. 66.65.105.74 08:30, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cowboys vs. Niners ?????

This article is out of control, but the section on the Niners vs. Cowboys is ridiculous! Some parts of it don't even talk about specific games. 'The Catch', leave in, and 2 or 3 others, but get rid of the rest, get rid of all the insignificant fluff, it makes the whole article look even worse. If you are looking to fix, clean-up, whatever, this article, this section is where to start!!!24.158.102.32 17:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patriots vs. Chargers?

It seems some anonymous users have been adding rivalries between the Patriots and seemingly every other team in the league. I've deleted some of the more obviously implausible ones (vs. the Vikings and Jaguars, for example). Now, I wonder if the one against the Chargers deserves mention on the page. While the incident from last year's playoffs is certainly something that can spark a rivalry, I'm not sure there's anything else to go on that merits inclusion, which is why, the first time it was included, I felt it's better to at least wait until their regular season game this year. After all, this isn't a list of every notable event that happened to occur between two particular teams. Highway99 06:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ravens vs. Colts

How can this famous rivalry not be on this list when you consider some of the non-rivalries on here, some of which are basically a list of teams that have played other teams at some point in history?

[edit] This article needs to be overhauled

I've been watching this article for some time, and now more than ever it seems like people are just adding "cool moments" that have happened between two particular teams, regardless of if they even had a rivalry at that point. Even on entries that are legitimate rivalries, it seems like some have a moment for every game played between them. We need to figure out some criteria to pare down the number of rivalries on this article, and then pare down the number of moments each one has; if a rivalry is important enough to have ten or twelve moments, then someone can start a sub-article on it. I'll try and edit it where I can, but I don't want to unilaterally determine what's a rivalry and what's not. That's been the problem with the article. So let's have some real discussion because it's time we reign in what goes into this article. --Highway99 (talk) 03:01, 9 May 2008 (UTC)