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- While transport rings were originally thought only to work in tandem with another set of transport rings, but several episodes of SG-1 have shown otherwise; however, they can only be used this way if the distance is short, perhaps a few meters; otherwise, the object to be transported moves, but the rings fall out of the place of transportation (witness how a Kull Warrior was transported out of a cargo ship via its rings; the warrior rematerialized, but the rings fell away).
Which episodes, exactly, did this occur in? The instance where the Kull warrior was transported out of the cargo ship doesn't seem to be such a case, and the impression I got was that the rings fell away simply because the ship was travelling way too fast through an atmosphere at the time - they just got stripped away by the wind. Bryan 04:12, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
- In the episode Tangent (4x12), the ring transporters were used to get Teal'C and O'Neill out of the X-301.
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- The transport ship sent a set of rings out from its underside to pick up O'Neill and Teal'c. This is not an example of rings transporting stuff without another set of rings at the other end. Bryan 07:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
- Also, in the episode Memento (6x20), the Prometheus makes frequent use of the ring transporters without the recieving end having its own set of transporter rings.
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- I just reviewed the episode from the DVD. At 14:30, O'Neill et al use Prometheus' ring transporter to exit the ship while it is on the ground. We do not see them materializing, the next shot shows them already walking away from the grounded ship. At 39:30 we see O'Neill and company exit the ship via ring transporters again, this time while it's hovering low over an archaeological dig. This time we do see them materializing at the other end, with a set of rings dropping down from somewhere above to recieve them - presumably, this is the same arrangement as we've seen Goa'uld cargo ships use, as above. These are the only two instances where ring transporters were used in this episode. Bryan 07:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- 6x20 wasn't my only evidence. But since that's all you've addressed... you're proposing that the Prometheus just happened, coincidently, to "land" over a complemintary pair of ring transporters? That seems rather unlikely to me. The Prometheus, in that episode, couldn't pinpoint the Stargate - why would it be able to pin point transporter rings locations? TerraFrost 08:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- No, the rings that recieved O'Neill in the second incident came from above - the same direction that Prometheus itself was located in, a relatively short distance away. I'm proposing that the recieving rings came out of the outer hull of the ship, just like what happens with Tel'taks when they do this sort of thing. BTW, I did address the other evidence you raised - the Tel'tak that rescued O'Neill and Teal'c from the X-301 spat out rings from its underside to pick them up with. Bryan 17:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Given this, I've readded the above paragraph. TerraFrost 00:41, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Neither of these instances support the paragraph, though. These are still examples of ring transporters working in tandem - one set transmits, the other set recieves.
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- I don't think they are. I will concede that it's hard to make any definitive conclusions from 6x20 (although, imho, the most reasonable conclusion is still that they don't need to work in tandum to get immediatly outside the spacecraft), but that still leaves 4x12. Also, to address something that you said, earlier...
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- the ship was travelling way too fast through an atmosphere at the time - they just got stripped away by the wind.
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- How is it that transport rings can pass through the atmospheres of two planets, despite the wind, and materialize without a problem (as in 4x12, ~28:00), yet they can't survive being passed through half of a single planets atmosphere? Basically, I think you've dismissed the original citation involving the Kell Warrior and the Transport Rings too hastily, as well. TerraFrost 08:53, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- In 4x12 at 25:00 Selmac "picks up" Carter and Jackson using ring transporters in his Tel'tak, but all we see of the external transport is the very beginning - a bright light shines on them from above and we hear the sound of a ring transporter just starting to power up. We don't see them actually transmit, though - we cut immediately to the interior where they arrive in a standard set of rings. This is consistent with previous cases where rings have dropped down from above, the hatch that opens to let them out has a bright light inside. At 26:20 Selmac mentions that the ship was cloaked, so it could have been right on top of them when it did that. As for why there were no wind effects, that's because there wasn't any wind - they weren't moving at high speed relative to the atmosphere, they were stationary on the ground. I'm not dismissing the Kull Warrior incident, just pointing out an exceptional circumstance that accompanied it. Bryan 17:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- I'm not sure where our mutual misunderstanding lies here. In what way does it not count as ring transporters working in tandem when one set of rings is inside the ship's hull and the other is outside it? I don't think there's any evidence suggesting that these two sets of rings are in fact the same rings, and even if they were, it's still not really much different from "tandem" operation - you need rings to transmit and rings to recieve. I'm going to try rewording the paragraph this time to account for this, hopefully that works better. Bryan 07:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- There is one possibility that I can come up with - that Go'ould cargo ships have two ring transporters - one on the inside of the ship and one on the outside. The same could go be true for the Promotheus. In both cases, though, the distance between both in the first case would probably be just a few feet. TerraFrost 08:57, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Yes, this is exactly what I've been proposing. But why would the distance between the two systems be just a few feet when these things can transmit between sets of rings separated by thousands of kilometers? The transport booths inside Atlantis, which appear to use a similar technology, can send you to booths anywhere else in the city. Bryan 17:07, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
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- Oh, heh. As for why the distances between the two systems would be just a few feet - I think that'd only really be the case for the Tel'tak. I mean, the "depth" of the hull can't be much more than that ('cause they really don't look like big ships, heh) TerraFrost 05:14, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] Ring specs?
What's the source of the rather precise Technical Datas [sic] on the rings?
—wwoods 04:59, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
- The platform weight comes from the very beginning of "The Other Guys", I just confirmed this while I had the season 6 DVDs out. I don't know where the diameters come from, and they appear to be quite wrong - 7 meters is slightly bigger than the Stargates themselves, and clearly out of proportion from what we see on screen. The 2.58 ton mass for each individual ring is just 12.9 divided by five, which is not really justifiable - the on-screen speech simply stated "we calculate platform mass at 12.9 metric tons", which doesn't give any indication of whether this is the combined mass of the rings alone, the rings plus the support equipment, or just the support equipment without the ring's mass at all. I'm going to remove that stuff on this basis. Bryan 07:48, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
- I just removed the same data again, put back into the article by the same anonymous IP. I'll leave a note on his talk page pointing him here to discuss the matter and provide his sources. Bryan 09:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
- About the facts: well here in Austria we have a magazin about Stargate with technical infos and so on. There I found an article about the Rings and from there I got the informations. However I only added the information box on the rings once and I never reverted the page. It must have done someone different. Diabound00
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- It was an anonymous IP address, so it's possible someone else was using it as well. One of the main reasons it's a good idea to register an account. :) Anyway, as I mentioned above, the technical data's got some issues - the 7 meter diameter is clearly at odds with what is seen on screen and the ring weight is dubious. I think the magazine in question probably didn't do a very rigorous job coming up with those specs. Bryan 19:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Number of rings
In the StarGate film, the number of rings was nine, not ten.
I only see 8 --86.142.158.117 20:40, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ori ring number
In Origin, the rings at Celestis numbered six in total. However, in Line in the Sand, I counted only five rings coming from the platform the figthers dropped. Did anyone else get a different number? -- SFH 22:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
I just rewatched origin, and there appear to be five rings there as well. Maartentje 16:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
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