Talk:Richmond, The American International University in London

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Hey someone needs to remove the first thee sentences of this, I don't know how. The last sentence to be deleted is "looks like a castle". I have taken care of everything else. I went to school there for one semester and have travelled back there once since. Having seen the best and worst of it, I consider myself an authority on everything that is student life at Richmond Hill.

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[edit] I agree

I agree, this article needs cleaning, I'm gonna give it a try now....... --Dunlevyd 00:45, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

I am going to be a new student. Can I contact someone who has been there to talk with them about it? I'm a bit nervous! Thanks!


Please contact me and tell me about your time at Richmond and what you consider to be the best and worst of the student life there. n.o.a.h@web.de

[edit] Requested Move

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Additionally, the correct name of the university appears to be Richmond University. -- tariqabjotu 02:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
I am a student there - The name of the university is "Richmond American International University in London" - RAIUL —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.24.4.41 (talk) 01:39, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

The OFFICIAL name of the uni is Richmond, the American International University in London. I'm an employee.


[edit] What is the dispute?

I agree with the previous poster, the correct name of the University is "Richmond, the American International University in London" My daughter attended there last summer.

http://www.richmond.ac.uk/ links to their homepage. As you can see, the correct Name is in the Graphic logo under the shield. The University is locally referred to as "Richmond University" but that is not it's official title.DavidPickett 20:02, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] I have added an accreditation link

Link added to introduction and to External links. This is only one of the accreditations that Richmond university has.

http://www.aaicu.org/html/england.asp DavidPickett 03:52, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed subjective comments

Under Student Body,removed subjective commments about American vs. English students, etc, (left in document within hidden comments)

Added further link to word accedited —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidPickett (talk • contribs) 20:27, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 13 revisions on Dec 1

I have made several undo revisions to the 13 changes made on Dec. 1. These changes were made by unknown user (no user name, only IP address) No reason given for changes, and no change list made in comments. If I have made changes to factual information, please revise and give reasons for changes in comments.DavidPickett (talk) 16:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Undid vandalism of Dec. 23, no User ID, only IP address.DavidPickett (talk) 04:52, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] degree recognition/accreditation

The current version of the article contains the following passage: "Richmond is licensed to award Bachelor of Arts, Bachelor of Science, Master of Arts, and the Master of Business Administration degrees by the Department of Education in the State of Delaware. Richmond is also accredited in the United Kingdom by the Open University Validation Services and holds related degree validation. Its degrees are also designated by the Department for Education and Skills (DfES) of Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom (Recognized Awards) Statutory Order 2006 (SI 3121) dated November 23, 2006."

If correct, these statements need to be properly sources, per WP:V, or, if verification is not possible, removed. E.g. where does the info about Richmond's degrees being licenced by the State of Delaware come from? Similarly, what is Statutory Order 2006, what exactly does it say and where can it be accessed? Also, there is some ambiguity in the last sentence: "Its degrees are also designated". Does "Its" refer to Richmond or to Open University? And what does "designated by" even mean here. Since Richmond is definitely not a "Recognized Body"[1], it is not empowered by the U.K. government to award college degrees. So what does "designated by" mean here? Nsk92 (talk) 17:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I looked through the UK Department of Innovation, Universities and Skills website[2] and could not find anything there regarding "Statutory Order 2006 (SI 3121)". THE DIUS website even has a separate "UK Legislation" section[3] about UK laws regarding recognition of degrees and there is nothing there about "Statutory Order 2006" either, although other laws are discussed in detail. The Richmond website itself mentions nothing about this either [4]. Moreover, the phrase "Her Majesty’s Government in the United Kingdom (Recognized Awards) Statutory Order 2006 (SI 3121)" suggests that the Order, if it exists, deals with "Recognized Bodies", which Richmond is not one of. The entire sentence dealing with "Statutory Order 2006" is looking more and more dubious. Nsk92 (talk) 19:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
And a GoogleSearch for "Statutory Order 2006" returns nothing relevant either[5], except for this Wikipedia article and one of its clones.Nsk92 (talk) 19:43, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
You'll find it here The Education (Recognised Awards) (Richmond The American International University in London) Order 2006 DavidPickett (talk) 20:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Delaware licensing mentioned hereAIFS and here Richmond flyerDavidPickett (talk) 20:37, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, thanks!. The "Statutory Order 2006" link is very good and very interesting. For Delaware, I would have preferred a more direct sources, something from the State of Delaware governmental sites themselves, but I think a Richmond flyer is OK for the time being. Thank you for tracking this down and adding it to the article. Nsk92 (talk) 21:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unencyclopedic

I've tagged the article as unencyclopedic because of the language used, such as "The UK has a well-deserved reputation world-wide for providing high quality and reputable higher education", "Rome is the ideal location to experience the classical and cultural heritage of the Roman world" and "Over 100 countries are represented in the student population, which allows students to learn just as much about international culture outside of the classroom as they do in the classroom". These sound more like advertising claims than the sort of thing that belongs on Wikipedia. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with some of your comments. Your first quote comes directly from a gov.uk website; [6]
The following other quotes you mention do need reworking. I'll see what I can do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidPickett (talk • contribs) 20:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. In fact, much of that recognition section is lifted directly from the DfES link you provided and should therefore be removed as it's a copyright violation. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I've removed the offending text and lots of POV statements that made the article sound like an advert for the university. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Question only..I thought government websites are public domain as they are paid for through public funding? (for instance NASA photos, etc)DavidPickett (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, you may be right. It's Crown Copyright but the article on that suggests we might be able to use it. Though do we need all that information on university recognition in the UK? Most of it was generic and not about Richmond. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Normally, I'd say no, but there has be quite a controversy by persons who had editted to say Richmond wasn't "fully" credentialled. I added those quotes , and block quote, to set things straight. Please review Discussion and revision history for September 2007 and March 2008.Thanks

DavidPickett (talk) 05:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we could add the information again but in a condensed form? That would also avoid the problem (if it is a problem) of it being copy and pasted from the government website. I just don't think this is the place for extensive discussion of the UK's mode of university recognition. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I'll let you do it, you're very good with words. Thanks for the care you take.DavidPickett (talk) 15:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Have done. Let me know if you have any problems with the current text. Cordless Larry (talk) 22:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)