Talk:Richard Winters

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Contents 1 Photo 2 Disambig 3 West Point? 4 Good Conduct Medal 5 105 or 88mm 6 Brecourt 7 Christianity

[edit] Photo

The article is on a real person, not an actor. Does anyone have a non-copywrighted image of Mr. Winters we can replace the current one with? (USMA2010 16:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

i could upload a screenshot from the documentary "we stand alone together". would that be acceptable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.80.33.119 (talk) 22:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be copyright by the makers of the documentary. What is needed is a photograph someone took themselves and is prepared to release under a suitable license. Notinasnaid 22:54, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this article needs an image. There are a few on google images, but I am not sure as to whether they are copyrighted or not. As for a screenshot, that would be easy to get hold of, but the copyright would prove to be a difficulty. --JJMan 13:27, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Winters is a historical figure. A screenshot from We Stand Alone Together would absolutely be fair use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.188.38.32 (talk • contribs) 22:23, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

hi, two months ago I saw very nice photo of Richard D. Winters on this page and now is not here anymore, do you know where can I find this photo ? It was this one photo but bigger and better quality ..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by JFRyan42 (talk • contribs) 07:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disambig

I'm not so sure renaming this article from "Richard D. Winters" to "Richard Winters" was a good move. By using the middle initial, it was more unique. Disambiguation would not be needed. This change already caused most links to be manually updated. Beanbatch 6 July 2005 01:45 (UTC)

[edit] West Point?

The assault itself is still studied at military academies as an example of small unit tactics.

So do we have a real reference for this? I know BofB mentions it, but it would be great if someone could find a reference to the Brecourt Manor assault in a West Point textbook, or some online manual. Beanbatch 17:27, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

My friends brother went to West Point and the last time I talked to them I asked him, and he said it is briefly shown in a massive tactics unit and is drawn by the Professor on a whiteboard, no textbook references.

65.95.232.95 00:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

We never studied it in my officer training in ROTC and Benning. However, it was mentioned in a Military History class that I took through the ROTC program. By the time we got to Benning we were studying more current engagements that fit into the scope of what we would be dealing with, i.e. Somalia. I didn't go to West Point, so I am not really keen on what they study there. I am pretty sure it is mentioned in the book, I'll have to go back through my notes and see. If that is the case it can be easily cited utilizing the book as a source.

[edit] Good Conduct Medal

The article states that Winters recieved the Good Conduct Medal, but that is an award for enlisted men only. Winters entered the Army as an officer, and as such could not have gotten this medal. I am removing it, but if anyone has a reference for it, please cite it here and re-insert it. --rogerd 21:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Enlisted in the Good Conduct Medal page is referring to anyone, officers included. They wouldn't make it just for enlisted men, it's stupid, because then they'd have to create an officer version aswell.

65.95.232.95 00:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if YOU think it's stupid or not. The U.S. Army's Good Conduct Medal is given ONLY to enlisted personnel. Maj. Winters entered the army as a private, and therefore was eligible to receive the award. ThinksSheKnowsEverything 23:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I am currently reading Beyond Band of Brothers: The War Memoirs of Maj. Dick Winters and Winters entered the U.S. Army as a Private upon graduating college in 1941. He coul have also earned the medal before he went to OCS. --wdsailors, January 2006

In 1943, the required period of "continuous enlisted active Federal military service" was reduced to one year while the US was at war (three years at all other times). [1] It's not clear to me whether officers are eligible, but I believe so. --Habap 20:58, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

The Good Conduct Medal is only for enlisted soldiers. However, regs could have been different during this time period, highly doubtfull though. Someone will have to look it up. Winters did enlist as a private and went through OCS. The way to find out if he had been awarded the medal would be to do some research and see if there is access to his 201 file. His 201 would give you all information on him from the date he enlisted, service time, service placement, and awards.

Winters originally joined the Army as a private. He later became a drill instructor before taking OCS. After finishing OCS, Winters returned to be a drill instructor while waiting to be assigned to an Airborne unit. It's all in Biggest Brother by Larry Anderson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.45.66.201 (talk) 16:40, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 105 or 88mm

Weren't the german guns firing on the causway known as 88's i.e 88mm? Khukri ^{(talk . contribs)} 18:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

No, they were 105mm howitzers. However, most Allied soldiers called any large calibre weapon firing at them an "88" out of ignorance. Every tank was often called a "Tiger" as well despite its actual nomenclature or configuration, due to the reputation both weapons had gained out of proportion to their actual numbers.Michael Dorosh 18:39, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Out of ignorance? I do not think so Michael. It's just a shorthand way of referring to this types of weapons without complicating the issue. Ignorance is the wrong word entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasquatchuk (talk • contribs)

[edit] Brecourt

This article previously claimed that the guns at Brécourt Manor were defended by the 6th Fallschirmjäger Regiment, however i have removed this as it contradicts with the article on the Brécourt Manor Assault which claims it was defended by the less highly respected German 709th Static Infantry Division. can anyone find a good source supporting either claim? Trottsky 15:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christianity

I'm not sure if "It should also be noted that he grew up a devout christian." belongs in this article. If related to another point in the article, such as the usage "A devout Christian, Winters <insert something related>", I'd be fine with it. But the usage at current, I'm not sold on it's place. It seems just like a random fact, not something deserving of a place in an encyclopedia article. Thoughts? (Note: I haven't closely read the rest of the article. If his Christian upbringing is important to the rest of his life, then it deserves to be mentioned, but perhaps in a better context than it is now.) 71.79.111.247 02:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Just noticed that the line in question was just added by an non-registered user today. That makes me feel even more confident that it doesn't below in an encyclopedia article, which is what Wiki is supposed to be. 71.79.111.247 02:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. --Bossi (talk • gallery • contrib) 11:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not arguing with the line's removal, which was appropriate in the circumstances; but it does seem ironic that a non-registered user is pooh-poohing non-registered users. -Ashley Pomeroy (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2008 (UTC)