Talk:Richard William Howard Vyse
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Potential Vyse Forgery? I believed the article needed some expanding on the importance of the hyroglyphic discovery and Vyse's role in it, considering that the discovery is the prime evidence used by Egyptologists to declare that the Great Pyramid was constructed by Egyptians. Aside from this one single inscription the entire Pyramid is devoid of any kind of writing. Therefore, if the inscription is indeed a forgery then it casts doubt on the belief of an Egyptian Great Pyramid. I included a link from a reputable university website to help expand the investigation but would appreciate if anyone else has much to add. Huronking.
- The person who made these claims originally is Zecharia Sitchin, a proponent of the ancient astronaut theory. Even if Vyse did faked these masons marks, does it prove that the pyramid was not built by Khufu? There is writing in the relieving chambers, so the fact that one single inscription the entire Pyramid is devoid of any kind of writing is not correct. There is room of these theories on wikipedia, but they need to balanced with the whole truth of who is making the claims. Markh 08:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
To my knowledge, Vyse's hieroglyph discovery is the writing in the relieving chamber that you are referring to, which is the point of contention. Every source I have looked at shows that this hieroglyph is the only potentially authentic piece of writing discovered that shows the Egyptians built the Pyramid. If the inscription turns out to be false then it casts doubt on Khufu being the builder, or any Egyptian for that matter. This is not the same as saying that the forgery of this inscription proves the Pyramid was somehow NOT built by Khufu, it would take more than just that to definitively show Egyptians did not build it. However, it would take away most Egyptologists definitive certainty that the Pyramid was built by Khufu. I've asked many Egyptologists (including the reading of interviews with Zahi Hawass) how we know for sure that Khufu was the builder and everyone of them points to this inscription as the proof of its origin. If that inscription turns out to be false then new analysis must be made. HuronKing.
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- Well I am not arguing that Khufu did build the pyramid, just that the faking of a cartouche doesn't prove that he didn't. Its a very circular argument and I dont think that either of us can persuade the other. Read Miroslav Werner's book The Pyramids – Their Archaeology and History p.455 "From a paleographic, grammatical and historical point of view, there is not the slightest doubt as their authenticity". However, he would say that wouldn't he ;-). Markh 09:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Random Bio
Richard William Howard Vyse inherited Boughton Hall from his grandmother Lady Lucy Howard in 1795. He was a noted Egyptologist and traveller. His grandmother was a sister of the 2nd Earl of Strafford and daughter of the 1st Earl who had bought Boughton in 1717 as his base in the Midlands. [1] [2] dates 1784-1853. Short Biography: British army officer, excavator, author and benefactor. He undertook excavations at the pyramids at Gizeh with Giovanni Battista Caviglia. [3] Richard William Howard HOWARD-VYSE JP, MP was born 25 Jul 1784. He died 8 Jun 1853. Richard married Frances HESKETH on 13 Nov 1810. [4] Father – General Richard Vyse married Ann Howard, daughter of Field Marshall Sir George Howard and Lady Lucy Wentworth, in 1780.
MP for Tiverton and Honiton (1812)
[edit] Vyse's Date of Death
It seems there is a fairly large discrepancy between the date of Vyse's death. In this article it is listed as 1853. There is one sourced link which gives a date of 1872 and that is labeled as an incorrect date of death. However, another Wiki article does list 1872 as Vyse's death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1872_in_archaeology
What is the source of the 1853 date of death and which one is correct?
HuronKing. August 8th 2006
- I changed the date of death, as it only seems that the original bio (which has other this wrong with it – in my opinion) has the 1872 date. See [5], [6] or [7]. Markh 08:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
- Also see above discussion on why the original bio. is doubtful. Markh 08:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. I just wanted that 1853 date confirmed before I took the liberty of fixing either this article or the other article on the year 1872. I'll go do that now. HuronKing August 9th 2006
