Talk:Richard Armitage

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More information about this article... The following comments have been left for this page: The Richard Armitage bio was pretty informative, but, I was surprised the information from William Stevensons article "Bank of Intrigue" was not listed. This guy was in the news quite a bit in the 70's and 80's and mentioned by "Bo Gritz;" ""General Khun Sa" from Berma; The Nugan Hand Bank incident;" as well as publications; "The politics of Herion in South East Asia" being one.I knew this guy's name brought up something from the past, and I'm more than a little surprised no one is talking about "it" anymore (especially with all the herion flowing out of Afganistan these days.) I was warned away from these issues many years ago from a very credible source from the CIA's past, and dropped my research, but I would love to see some soul (braver than I) bring the issues back into the light. An old soldier . . . Contents 1 First paragraph worded as a "put-down". Sounds rhetorical, biased. 2 Merge 3 Controversy 4 In the news again 5 Naval Career 6 Pakistan 7 Removal of Khun Sa etc. material 8 Dentology [edit] First paragraph worded as a "put-down". Sounds rhetorical, biased. The second line: "He was found to be too slow for varsity play and instead began a lifelong obsession with lifting weights." Could be worded so as not to imply that Armitage was mentally slow. Further, the subjective term "obsession" is needlessly employed. This sort of partisan slant is one of the reasons Wiki has become broadly rejected as an acceptable source by academe. 71.198.218.1 19:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Steve B. Santa Cruz, CA (edit)

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Incorrect Information: According to a wide variety of news sources Valerie Plame was not in covert operations when her name was leaked to the press. Therefore no illegal acts were committed. It is unlawful to reveal the identity of a covert agent, but Plame was not in covert operations at the time.

[edit] Merge

I might have butchered this article by overwriting the text here with what was at [Richard L. Armitage]. A more careful merge is needed. --Jiang 23:36, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Just changed my mind and decided to keep the original on top. Check [1] to see if there's anything worth salvaging. --Jiang 23:38, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

I merged one sentence from "Richard L. Armitage", but the rest was pretty much the same information. I prefer the current version to the alternative, because it's open to someone coming in and putting in section headings for "biography", "policies", and so on; some information about his actions at the State Dept. is necessary to fill out the article. Meelar 01:30, 6 Jan 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy

There's also a lot of controversy around this guy, maybe someone can add a section on that eventually. Themindset 17:50, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

This guy is a dirtbag. He is running around allowing the media to portray him as a former Navy SEAL. He was never a Navy SEAL. As a graduate of the Naval Academy, he has violated our sacred honor code by allowing a false sense of his military record to be circulated among the public. Scumbags like this guy get great jobs and benefits they do not deserve, depriving others of a job that they would be entitled to.

Well scumbag he may be but there are some indications his diplomatic talents prevented a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India.... http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/000293.php If it's true...

I love him.

he did not stop a nuclear war! thats a lie. the washington post is not always truthful. i hate him and so does every Pakistani.

[edit] In the news again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/5369198.stm Who want's to handle this one? Something definetly needs to be added in light of this new report, I'll personally see that it's done, but I'm going to wait for a more experienced memeber to decide how to add this new info.

User:pallfy 14:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naval Career

When I get around to it, I am going to try and flesh out his naval career in greater detail. Do Kiem's book Counterpart, ISBN 1557501815, talks a bit about Armitage's Vietnam service. I will also try and find an official Navy bio of him. My interest in this bio only pertains to his military service. --Johnfmh 21:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I found some more material on his naval service from a bio posted on the White House web page. I also found a good quotation from Do Kiem's book, Counterpart, ISBN 1557501815. Kiem had nothing but respect for Mr. Armitage. Unlike other officers with whom he served, Kiem felt that Armitage had good grasp of the Vietnamese language and was never patronizing or condescending towards the Vietnamese. Kiem's portrayal of Armitage, in short, is very different from President Musharraf's. --Johnfmh 15:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pakistan

I'm sorry but it is highly American POV to regard Musharraf's comments as "trivia" so I moved it into the main part of the article. Coalition of the willing article might need updating to remove the "willing".

It's also highly telling that Tony Blair gave him an honorary knighthood. This kind of sh!t is what the New Labour government in the UK appreciates as a model world citizen.

I'm sure that I'm not typing this in the proper format, but i think it may be premature to state that Armitage threatened to bomb Pakistan as a proven fact, in light of the fact that it orginated from Pervez Musharraf, a proven liar. Not that I don't find it entirely plausible.

Your George Bush/Tony Blair's are biggers liars than Musharraf.

Pakistan had 5 million afghan refugees before the invasion. Its obvious why they agreed to "let" the US in using Pakistani air bases to bomb Afghanistan. It was threats by Armitage. Bush also must have known.

[edit] Removal of Khun Sa etc. material

The deletion seems to suggest that these things are so far beyond the pale that we can't even talk about whether they belong in the article or not. While we should definitely exercise great care with this material, it's hard to say that the criticisms made against Richard Armitage by a foreign military leader and a significant U.S. presidential candidate are not notable. Nareek 02:46, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dentology

"What's wrong with his front tooth?LestradeLestrade