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[edit] Organization and Jargon?

There wasent really a good section for this, but I found a really rough typo in the Personal Information section:

  The event was held outside and not indoors, like many wrestleing events.

Hopefully this can be fixed, because it looks kind of silly. JEDIMAN40 00:28, 19 April 2007 (UTC)JEDIMAN40

This article seems to have a great number of problems to me. The first is that the opening section on the NWA just seems to jump ritght into the middle of Flair's career. I don't feel that how Flair became a professional wrestler is explained well at all.

Also this article is flooded with all kinds of wrestling jargon. It doesn't assume at all that a non wrestling fan would be able to coherently understand the information given talking about going 'face', kayfabes, and various other wrestling-only terms. Further, there are several sections where it talks about second-to-most-recent-face-turns which only make the article harder to understand.

Much of Flair's career seems to be glossed over, until you hit the late 90's. Then sections become little more than dates and the outcomes of the pay-per-views he participated in.

This section is in desperate need of revisionCapoCastillo

Im ric jamesWOOO!


Why isn't his arrest warrant isn't mentioned?!

Wikipedia is not an up-to-date news site. Wikinews however, is. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a current event on Ric Flair's page since his news is changing almost daily with his arrest and almost certainty trail? J. C.

Nope. The creator of the tag states the following on Template talk:Current:
It was not intended for general use over the span of weeks or months for a long-term, ongoing event that would experience little editing during the event
Considering the limited media coverage about the event, it looks like that the edits regarding the event would be infrequent at best. --Jtalledo (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Why isnt there any mention of the plane crash?

Ric Flair voluntarily gave up his WCW World Heavyweight Championship in May 1994, due to the "double-pin" finish in his Spring Stampede match with Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. He later won back the title in a match vs. Steamboat on WCW Saturday Night, which aired on May 14, 1994. Therefore, somebody should correct the title wins and losses grid at the bottom of the page. Also, this officially makes Flair a seventeen time champ instead of sixteen.

[edit] Article Size, Layout, & Redundant Text

I have attempted to fix these problems, but someone seems to think that this article is their personal pet project, and that they have veto power on any edits that are made. - Chadbryant 01:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not your personal soapbox or your college term paper. You are going to run into others with dissenting opinions and -- as this is an open forum available for edit by anyone -- you are going to find yourself being corrected, replaced, or reverted as a result. Please do not try to use this article (or any others) as your own; it simply would not do to have one person trying to 'take over' an article like that. If you wish to dispute the changes that are made, then do so via this talk page (and show good reason for your arguement) or leave a message on their talk page requesting an explanation. From looking at your history on Wikipedia, you have had problems of this nature in the past. Please try to avoid them in the future, as this would benefit both yourself and everyone else on Wikipedia. Thank you. Tehawk 05:10, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
If you are referring to how I reversed your reversal it's pretty simple. I had just spent time cleaning up several sections and you reverted them (and made other changes, which might have been good). Like you said, "someone seems to think that this article is their personal pet project, and that they have veto power on any edits that are made."
↪Lakes (Talk) 10:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
The only reverts on my part were after you had reverted my edits - as it stands now, the article is still quite large, and has several instances of redundant text and a few areas that could stand for some tidying up (as I did). - Chadbryant 12:25, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
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↪Lakes (Talk) 12:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

"He was arrested in 2004 on a child sex charge." Maybe I'm missing something, but it's not clear who the "he" is being referred to. It's at the bottom of the "World Championship Wrestling (1986-1991)" Section69.1.116.33 18:27, 1 February 2007 (UTC)Sara

[edit] The Quotes

Should the quotes be moved to wikiquote in order to cut down on article size? That seems to be the general practice on other pages. 207.6.31.119 09:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC) I don't think "Suck It" has ever left Ric's mouth when it comes to wrestling at least, which I thought was funny.

[edit] Why is this under controversy?

"On the March 2, 2006 edition of Mick Foley's WWE.com blog "Foley is Blog," Foley mentioned that while recently sitting next to Flair on an airplane, Flair told him that he will probably run for North Carolina governor in the next election. These plans are unconfirmed by Flair himself. This also hints that a long time off-sceen feud with Foley may be over." Jman5 06:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

If he is a Helms supporter, I hope that is just a rumour.(Halbared 14:47, 31 March 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Title Reigns

Something really needs to be done about the number of world title reigns listed for Flair all over Wikipedia. I've seen some ridiculous numbers like 25 used, and the exact number changes based on the page. From what i've been able to gather he is either a 19 or 21 time champion(depending on whether the WCW International title should count) since according to the NWA he is a 10 time NWA Champion, he is also a 7 time WCW World champion and 2 time WWF/E Champion for a total of 19(plus his 2 WCW International Titles). Here is a good history of the NWA World Title: http://www.wrestling-titles.com/nwa/world/nwa-h.html TJ Spyke 22:17, 9 March 2006 (ET)

It's 20 times world champion, with 10 NWA, 2 WWF and 8 WCW (not 7). 13:41, 08 september 2006

One can arguably count Flair as a 26 time World Champion. 14 NWA reigns, if you include the four title losses and wins not recognized by the NWA which were title swaps with Carlos Colon, Jack Veneno, Victor Jovica and the Midnight Rider (aka Dusty Rhodes), 8 WCW reigns (including the reign which lasted less than 2 hours on the May 29th 2000 edition of Nitro which Kevin Nash gave the belt to him only to lose it at the end of the night to Jeff Jarrett), 2 WWE reigns, and 2 WCW International reigns. THX-1138 03:47, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Then why is he listed as only having the NWA Title only once?(-unregistered user-30th March 08) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.173.190 (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

He one the title only once when it was in the National Wrestling Alliance itself. He won it many other times whilst in other promotions, thus the title is listed under those promotions.

[edit] WCW reigns

Why is the line "3 of these reigns are in question" still on this page. For the record WWE considers Flair a 6 time WCW champ. They do not recognize the heldup match against Steamboat, and they consider Flairs first title reign when he was also NWA champ, as a NWA reign.

WWE also doesn't recognize Bob Backlund losing the title to Antonio Inoki, we don't always go by the "official" stance. TJ Spyke 04:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ric Flair's best friend

For a while, it was said that Arn Anderson was Flair's best friend. I always took this to be something more than Kayfabe. But now days they say that Flair's best friend is Triple H. I'd hate to think that Arn got the kicked to the curb cause Triple H has more clout.

I though arn was dead? Im sure It mentioned this in eddie gurerro's book. SKRIBUL 20:39, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit late, but Arn just appeared on Raw, so he's alive. Best friend may be overstating it, but they are good friends. HHH and Flair being (ex)friends is purely kayfabe. Arn is currently a road agent for the RAW brand. Arn stopped wrestling because of an arm injury that left him where he could barely move it AT ALL, so he couldn't do his Spinebuster finisher for years. THL 10:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Arn Anderson may have hurt his arm at some point, I don't know, but he stated in his interview on the "Wrestling stars of the 80's" DVD series, that he had to retire due to multiple injuries to his neck. I believe it is one of these injuries that causes the weakness in his left arm. As a side note, Anderson was always touted as a "lefty". 71.213.250.165 10:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Championships

Okay - something needs to be done with the Championships section. I know some people from WikiProject Professional Wrestling like the format that's being used, but face it - doing that doesn't look good and takes up way too much room. Right now, Flair's Championships section takes up about 16 KB, which is over 25% of the article's current size. All accomplishments should be mentioned naturally as prose in his career section. --Jtalledo (talk) 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur, it neds to be squashed down.(Halbared 09:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC))

the man has held a so many title its gonna take up room no matter what

No, not really. What was taking up so much space was that all of his title reigns, with each title he won, was listed seperately with where he won it, who he won it from, where he won it, how long he held it, where he lost it, and who he lost it to. All that info is interesting, but ultimately not necessary. For instance, just say off the top of my head, since he was a two time WWF/E Champion, then that's all the info that's really needed. Odin's Beard 23:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

A similar debate is taking place regarding the title history for Triple H. Essentially, it boils down to the fact that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and painstaking detail regarding when a wrestling performer scored fictional wins for fictional titles isn't encyclopedic. It would be equivalent to listing to the day how long Marlena was possessed by Satan on Days Of Our Lives. - Chadbryant 00:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wooooo?

"In a tradition started by the vocal fans of Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW) during a time when the WCW management was thought to be unjustly holding Flair down, anytime a wrestler delivers a hard back hand chop to the chest of his opponent, fans yell "Wooo!" in tribute to Flair, whose stiff chops often made his opponent's chest raw or even bloody. This tradition long outlived any controversy it was meant to protest and has carried over to WWE and almost all other North American promotions. The chant has since become a tribute to Flair instead of the original condintation of being a mockery of Flair."

To me, this paragraph doesn't make sense. It begins by saying that the tradition started out as a tribute while he was being held down by WCW, and then goes onto to say that it eventually became a tribute whereas the original intention was to mock him. Was it started as a tribute to him while he was being held down or was it started as a mockery? 82.35.191.95 20:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree with the sentiment here, but moreover the contradictory and sparse attention to details. The article reads like a disorganized litany of dates and the details seem glossed over [such as his AWA career]. This article needs to be restarted from the ground upCapoCastillo

WOOOOOOOO!!!!!! --66.218.28.217 03:16, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone (maybe someone with some insider information) explain why he still wrestles, when most guy are retired before they hit 40? Does he do it for the money, or is he just unable to remove himself from the spotlight? I think its more the latter, he has built up such a persona that I'll bet it would be hard for him to stop. I think there should be more of a point made about his longevity, in light of all of the injuries in pro wrestling.

Ric Flair, much like Hulk Hogan is one of the few wrestlers that have made an indelible mark on the wrestling profession by his charisma and accomplishments. Having him in active competition continues his reputation as still being able to do well. It also makes performances from comebacks and occasional matches much more credible.His prescene helps other wrestlers that are relatively inexperienced to make their own mark and continued fan support means the WWE won't fire him. And he doesn't want to leave because not only is it great income and he loves the job, but it also allows him to maintain friendships among other things.--211.28.125.161 10:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me or does he look drunk most of the time? I've heard that he has a problem with Alchohol, which the article backs up. Do my thoughts have any merit? Straightxedger 02:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Since the death of Eddie Guerrero, WWE has instituted a wellness program, and have recently suspended several wrestlers for drug problems. So if Ric Flair still has an alcohal issue, he wouldn't be wrestling on TV.Vinnyxvincent 00:33, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Fans were chanting "Wooo" for the chop long before ECW started. Also, more and more people are wrestling later. Flair still wrestles because he enjoys it, why else would he put up with stuff like being Triple H's lackey for such a long time? TJ Spyke 04:13, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Fans like Ric Flair still and he does well with creating heels. See his new one, Kenny Dykstra. He is still an efficient wrestler but having to watch his saggy over tanned body bounce around the ring doing very simple moves is getting old as is he. His time has come to be put on Heat or something.

[edit] The Four Horsemen

I believe that more information should be provided on the Four Horsemen. Whilst there is a separate article, I feel that you could provide a quick summary or at the very least links to that article. It was an important group in Flair's career. --Rev. James Triggs 10:58, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal Info?

It seems to me that the personal info should go before his career in AWA, in the very least regards to the information regarding his birth and adoption. since this article is essentially autobiographical, it'd make sense to place this info at the beginning of the article, not the end. Also, i'd like to reassert that his AWA career as well as any info about Ric trying to break into the wrestling business is glossed over or just taken as a matter of assumption. CapoCastillo 21:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Personal info always goes at the end of wrestlers articles. TJ Spyke 06:35, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Back Body Drop

Is there any way to integrate into this article that the poor man can't take a Back Body Drop correctly to save his life? Couldn't in the 80's, and can't today. It's a miracle he doesn't land badly each and every time. JPG-GR

The reason he does that is to protect one of his shoulders which has been injured several times.


he hasnt been able to take anyhting correctly since he hurt his back. itas a miracle he wrestled again let alone in to his late 50's.24.128.202.124 20:15, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


Could the "Ring Names" section at least add the first Ring name he used? Any real flair fan knows he started wrestling under the name "Son of Satan" or "satan's Son" One would think that with only 3 names to put in the section, that all 3 would be listed. Just goes to show how WWF/E heavy this article is.

[edit] Ric Flair Finance?

http://www.ricflairfinance.com/

Does anyone have any information about this? According to a friend, it's done by Flair himself and his friend, but I was wondering if anyone knew anything else. --Sakaki22 16:00, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Wow I bet no-one buys that... exept fans trying to get to see him SKRIBUL 20:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy section

I've tagged the controversy section with {{verify}} and {{unreferenced}}. If citations aren't provided for this material, it can be deleted at any time as per WP:BLP. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:17, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] GEICO Parody

There's a humorous parody of a GEICO commercial that can be found here that features Ric Flair alongside the owner of the Carolina Hurricanes. I was going to add it somewhere in the main article, but couldn't figure out where it would best fit. Peter Karmanos and Ric Flair Any help would be appreciated. vDub 17:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] What Happened?

What happened to this entire page? Somebody completely through all organization out the window for Ric Flair's Wikipedia page!

What the hell happened to his page...some one fix it.iv tried and havnt made any progress.

December 3,2006 I just recently went on to Ric Flair's page on wikipedia. ALL NFORMATION on the AWA, WCW, World class championship wrestling has been deleted. It just starts off with his first debut. Some moronic idiot with nothing to do has done it, can someone please fix it?

No one has to notify us about vandalism. Countless people, my self included, are notified of any edits made to this page through our watchlists. I appreciate your attempts, but they really aren't necessary. To learn how to fix these things yourself, see WP:RV. Cheers, -- THLRCCD 03:58, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Recent Apperance

I know its a work and all, but did anyone see him tonight? Looked like someone had been doing surgery on his face with a damn belt sander.

Uhm, I don't think that's surgery, dude. Ever see the forehead of Dusty Rhodes? Ric Flair, widely known for being a profuse "bleeder" in pro wrestling, has probably gained a fair amount of "blading" scars in his 30+ year career in the ring. Srosenow 98 06:25, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] personal information

At the end of the personal information, there is a paragraph about Ric Flair marrying Hickenbottom. I cannot find it in the editing section. Is it hidden? Is there anyone who can find it and correct it?Nomarko 18:28, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rec.sport.pro-wrestling

I removed this info because it's basically just something voted on by people in a fan forum. It's nothing more than fan opinions. Odin's Beard 00:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Why not remove 50% of what is written in The Legacy section as well since it was obviously written by some Fanboy; this quote right here "Flair is still able to step in the ring with younger wrestlers and make them stars." doesn't sound NPOV to me, since the quote is highly questionable, Shelton Benjamin, Nitro, and Kenny are still in the same position before they worked with Flair. Also that section about Flair and Douglas; Unless some one knows something I don't, I didn't think the whole "Whoooo" Chant made famous by the ECW Fans was done out of protest; as more to do with just ribbing the guy for using a Trademark Move made famous by Flair; trust me, if the ECW Fans were protesting that move, they would have said alot more then "Whoooo" more like "Fuck You Flair" or "Fuck Flair". As far as the heat between Flair and Douglas; again, unless some one knows something I don't, the whole heat between Flair and Douglas, coming from Douglas mouth was because one night Douglas asked Flair to watch his match, and give some Critism, when Douglas returned, and asked Flair what he thought about a move Douglas didn't even use in his match, Flair replied "I loved it kid."; Douglas was pissed because it was obvious to Douglas that Flair didn't bother to watch his match; or give two shits about The Younger Talent. The whole keeping Guys down, and getting bury sounds more like the heat Douglas had with The Kliq in the WWF. 2 Step!

[edit] World titles

I've changed this sentence in the Legacy section;

Although some controversy still surrounds this, Ric Flair still holds the record of the most World Heavyweight Championships held by an individual in professional wrestling, next to Jerry "The King" Lawler.

It didn't make sense. If Flair held the record, he wouldn't be "next to Jerry". Also Lawler's title wins weren't for a recognised world title, so there's no point mentioning him. One Night In Hackney 12:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NWA World Title

While it's true that various sources dispute the number of NWA World Title reigns Ric Flair has. The views of World Wrestling Entertainment, various wrestling publications, or fans themselves are irrelevant. The National Wrestling Alliance Rick Flair as a 9 time NWA World Heavyweight Champion so that's what should be reported in the article. The title is the property of the National Wrestling Alliance and the NWA's interpretation of its championships and their lineages supercedes that of all others.Odin's Beard 17:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Is this the site you are rerfering to?http://www.nwawrestling.com/PHP-Nuke/modules.php?name=Encyclopedia&op=content&tid=2 Because it say's Flair is 10 timeHalbared 20:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
On the official NWA site Flair is titled as a 10 time champion. It states that Recognition dropped by NWA in 93/09 after WCW withdraws from NWA; WCW continues to recognize "WCW International" World Heavyweight title with Flair as the champion This does not state that recognition of that reign is rescinded, if this was the case, then Flair would not be totalled as a 10 time champ on that page, but as a 9 time, with an amendment that his last reign was revoked. This is not the case though, his reign still stands as official on the history but it ends with the withdrawl of championship status from Flair in september, giving him a reign that lasted until then. This is de facto on the page.Halbared 08:20, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flair's Illegal roll-ups

Why is it that the illegal roll-ups KEEP getting removed. They are certainly at least signature moves of Flair's, tied heavily in with his "Dirtiest Player in the Game" persona, though I think they should be listed as finishers. Quite frankly, he wins more with illegal roll-ups currently than the figure four. The user that keeps taking them off says that the roll-ups are the equivalent of a lateral press, but I think that notion is silly. Roll-ups are actual wrestling takedowns, thus actual wrestling moves and not just the manner in which a wrestler pins his opponents. 70.130.228.165 22:20, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm the person who keeps removing them. Well, this guy knows how I feel. How does everyone else feel? I'll leave it in there until we get some more input. 声援 -- The Hybrid 22:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
A roll-up is a generic-type move, and no, if you watch most of the matches that span his career he wins more often with the figure four than an illegal roll-up. Bmg916Speak to Me 17:53, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
The illegal rollup should at least be included in his signature moves. He has used it so much over the years, you almost expect him to do it all the time. He made it synonymous to "Flair", just like the FF leglock and the chop. Add in the "headfirst roll into the turnbuckle, then getting slammed off the top rope" and youve captured the greatness that is Flair.OnTheAList 08:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flairs Moveset

The line in the legacy section that says: "Flairs moveset has always been limited" is personal opinion and simply a repeat of an accusation thrown at Flair by Bret Hart. If you go back to the 1980s of Flairs prime, both in the territories and his work in Japan, you can see this is quite clearly a false statement.

Who is to say what a limited moveset is? this statement for instance doesn't appear on the pages concerning John Cena, Bret Hart, Mick Foley etc, all wrestlers who relied on a set formula or spots.

As both a statement that is false and one that is impossible to prove without setting a personal opinion on what is a large moveset, it should be changed.

Equally, the section on the Bret Hart controversy with Flair is quite clearly biased and gives an opinion on Brets fanbase in the United States. The facts of the feud between the two are what should be reported, not how many times his documentary has been broadcast etc.

[edit] Bret comments not biased.

The information posted in the controversy section regarding Bret's fan base in the U.S. is not biased, it is a fact.Period.Any person who is un-informed as to the motivation behind Flair's comments about Mr.Hart in his book should be privy to the other side of the story which clearly proves that Mr.Flair's comments are biased.This is supposed to be an accurate account of the situation, not an un-informed, innaccurate one that favors the person whose page it is featured on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Greenman72 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 11 April 2007 (UTC).

Of course a unbiased viewpoint should be given, but no sources have been given to back up any claims in support of the opposing argument in favor of Bret. The oposing argument is one of personal opinion by whoever wrote the section.

The sources are the fact that he actually did appear all by himself on the tv shows listed...they were not a fantasy someone dreamt....A&E did air the bio on Bret...that's a fact and the source is the television set that millions watched it on...and the DVD sales are accurate, based on WWE merchandising revenue statistics and nielsen video scan sales figures...quit nit picking....there is nothing biased about it...

You sound like a whiny Bret Hart fan who is desperate to keep these biased comments in here. The source being "the television that millions watched it on" is not a source, that's you making grandiose comments about your hero. MOST IMPORTANTLY, the fact that he was on the Simpsons and had a documentary DOES NOT MEAN HE WAS A DRAW. Do you even know what it means to be a draw? No matter how many times he's on TV, if he's not moving merchandise and drawing people to the arenas, he's not a draw. Diesel's reign was a perfect example of this - he did even more media appearances than Bret, but he was one of the worst-drawing champions ever. And post a link to those video numbers, or shut up about the sales.

You can't read english?...what do you not understand about Nielsen video scan?...any one who reads it can google it, there's no need to post a link, you can find DVD sales figures at a number of sources.......and FYI, they don't make tv bio pics on wrestlers who are not a draw...why the hell would anyone tune in to watch a film about someone they don't know or care about? do you think the film garnered the attention it did because people weren't interested?...the fact that it did as well as it did is because BRET WAS A DRAW AND HAD A LARGE FANBASE in the USA....furthermore, the film was produced by the National film board of Canada, not the WWE...you know how many National film Board of Canada productions are shown on major American networks?...try almost none...Bret's film was picked up because the Arts and Entertainment network figured it would provide solid ratings which it did....In America...BECAUSE BRET HAS A FAN BASE AND WAS A DRAW IN THE USA...do you know how TV works???...networks make money from advertising revenue....A&E did not run the movie in primetime because they wanted no viewers, and wanted their advertisers to lose money.........Diesel? what a lame comparison...he's not in Bret's league...he was a poor draw,due to the fact that he was shoved down people's throats, but no one gave a shit about him.. what's that got to do with Bret?...if they had left the title on Bret instead of putting it on Kevin Nash (Diesel) the company might have done better business in 1995.......they could have picked anyone for the Simpson's and they picked Hart...why?...because he had notoriety....i'm quite sure that Bret sold a helluva alot more t-shirts than Flair did during Flair's tenure in the WWF....if Ric was so valuable and important to wrestling, Vince would never had let him go in the first place in 1992....Flair thought with Hogan's departure in 1992 that he was going to be top man and he was then asked to drop the belt to Bret and he is still sore over it and that is why he made ridiculous, inaccurate statements about him in his book 12 years later....less people watched WWF between 1992-1996 than in the boom period of the late 80's, but for the people that watched Bret Hart was a draw...any information insinuating that Bret Hart was not a profitable performer, and leads people to believe that he did not make money for Vince McMahon's company is incorrect, period and it's not up for debate...Vince did not make him his champion 5 times because he did not make money for the promotion...there is also a new DVD on sale right now called "The Most Powerful Wrestling Families", and there is a direct quote from Jerry Lawler that is:" Bret Hart was as big as any superstar that the WWE has ever had...he was the man"....he did not say "with the exception of the USA"....if you provide evidence and concrete proof that Bret Hart was not a draw and did not move merchandise for the WWF in the USA i'll concede, until then shut yer gob...

    • I'm not here to argue about Bret's comments being biased or not... but saying Bret was not a draw is pretty laughable. Bret WAS the WWE in the mid to late 90s. Comparing his ability to draw to Diesel? Come on! That's really low. Bret might not be a Ric Flair, but don't discount what he did for the organization. Why do you think the Montreal Screwjob fiasco was so relevant? Do you think that if someone like Diesel, or Doink the Clown, was in Bret's shoes, that the situation would have been so big? People we upset BECAUSE of what Bret had done, BECAUSE of his status as a premier draw. Also the reason why Bischoff was ready to shell out the big bucks for him...Khal 19:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Somebody change where it says "the WWE" all over the place in this article

Really stupid, really wrong, and really annoying.

[edit] GA quick fail

The article has referencing problems. I am failing this per the GA review of the Undertaker article. Quadzilla99 11:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] retirement

should a roumered retirement really be on there??? 69.207.187.92 21:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC) On August 30th apparently Ric Flair quit the WWE due to the poor push he was recieving and the lack of communications with managment. WWE has not given him his release and is trying to calm him down and blow things over because they do not want him to leave. Communications are going on but to this date he still wants to quit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.61.230.182 (talk) 04:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The first sentence of the article

Richard Morgan Fliehr, (born February 25, 1949), better known to all by his ringname Ric Flair upon his adoption several weeks later), is an iconic American professional wrestler currently signed to World Wrestling Entertainment on its Smackdown! brand.


Yeah.....what did that say originally before the vandalism that slipped through the cracks? Nosleep1234 10:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


I think it used to read Richard Morgan Fliehr, (born February 25, 1949 and named upon his adoption several weeks later), better known to all by his ringname Ric Flair, is an iconic American professional wrestler currently signed to World Wrestling Entertainment on its Smackdown! brand.

And is 'iconic' really NPOV? Fatjabba 16:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Good catch, iconic is not NPOV. I have removed that word, along with a lil bit of WP:OR. Bmg916Speak 16:15, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Still an issue here - "better known to all by his ringname Ric Flair upon his adoption several weeks later" does not make sense. Fatjabba 17:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}} Suggest changing the first sentence from "Richard Morgan Fliehr, (born February 25, 1949), better known to all by his ringname Ric Flair upon his adoption several weeks later)," to "Richard Morgan Fliehr, (born February 25, 1949 and named upon his adoption several weeks later), better known to all by his ringname Ric Flair,". A very minor change, but the current opening makes no sense at all. (and sorry if I've done this wrong, this is my second day on WP :) Fatjabba 13:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Fatjabba, you will be able to edit this page once your account is 4 days old. Protection is limited to pages that have a great deal of vandalism because we know it makes editing more irritating for honest users, sorry for the inconvenience. — Carl (CBM · talk) 15:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem, thanks for the info Carl Fatjabba 16:30, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar

Flair also makes mention in his biography that he personally "never saw dollar signs" on Bret Hart in reference to what he claims as Bret being a poor draw in the U.S., although an appearance on the long running animated series The Simpsons, repeated airings of Hart's documentary Wrestling With Shadows on the A&E Network.

This doesn't make any sense.

Agreed, plus the part after 'the U.S.' seemed to be leading nowhere - I removed it. Fatjabba 19:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dick Afflis?

I've heard an unconfirmed account of a match Flair had with Dick the Bruiser back in the really early days (probably before the crash) and some details, including Dick refusing to sell Flair's gimmick and punching him out. I was wondering if this match ever truly took place and if so what were the details of said match? Sherick 16:34, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Retirement

i've read that Ric Flair will wrestle his last match on March 30th, 2008, WrestleMania 24. Rumours also say that WWE plans on inducting him into the Hall Of Fame in the same week. [2] J.C. 23:01, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

I've heard that too. Also I think its about time that he retire because he's past his prime. Now I'm not saying he cant put on a good wrestling match because we all know thats not the case but hes been in this business for over thirty years its about time for him to get out or at least out of the ring. (He could be a good manager) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.117.51.161 (talk) 23:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

On that topic, whoever keeps changing it to say that Flair's the first person to ever be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame needs to check whatever source they think they heard that from. He's the first to be inducted WHILE HE'S STILL WRESTLING. Giondi (talk) 02:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

If it were true then it would be put in. But it is nothing but WWE "work".--DanteAgusta (talk) 04:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legitimate Weight

the article claims that ric's legitimate weight is 230lbs... i haven't read this anywhere before, so im wondering, is their is a source? Xchickenx 05:40, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grandfather?

Is it worth mentioning on his page that he became a grandfather in May of 2005 (I think) when his oldest daughter Meagan had her first child? I don't have a source other than in Ric's book, the very last section mentions this. Anyone think this is worth mentioning? (MgTurtle 19:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)).

i agree that it should be mentioned, but we really need more information about it. Xchickenx 02:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Just mentioning

I just informing everyone that I am changing Ric Flair's birthplace, from Minneapolis, to Memphis as Flair said on television he was born in Memphis, TN TonyWWE 05:44, 24 August 2007 (UTC) TonyWWE

Don't change statistics unless you provide a source. You replaced the information but the source that stayed with it says he's from Minneapolis. Either you find a more reliable source than a published book, or it won't be readded. — Moe ε 23:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

The source is Flair's autobiography, in which he states that he was born in Memphis. Needs to be changed back to Memphis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.205.4.149 (talk) 01:21, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ric Flair quits World Wrestling Entertainment

I know there is not enough information yet. But it is more than likely that Ric Flair has quit his job at the WWE. Apparently, Flair was unhappy with his push on Smackdown! and didn't feel he was being used right. It is also a strong possiblity that Flair could be going to TNA if a deal is not reached. Source: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007_/articles/1188962043.php

  • Update*

Flair appeared as a surprise guest on 610 AM WFNZ, a local sports radio station in Charlotte, North Carolina speaking about college football. When the host asked Flair if he was quitting the WWE, Flair said "No, it's not true. What would they do without me?" and laughed it off. It's hard to tell if this was a coverup. He did say he was gonna be on Primetime next week to explain his situation. In unrealated news (or maybe more related then we think), Flair said he is opening a new business called "Ric Flair Finance". Source: http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/2007_/articles/1189370146.php - Milkman 22:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Just to make it a tiny bit more clear, he quit along with King Booker and Queen Sharmell. Ric's reasons for quiting arent clear yet. gameplaya 9:47 18 September 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.104.92 (talk) 01:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I just found out that Ric will be staying in the company for another year, then we will retire. gameplaya 4:47 September 23, 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.198.104.92 (talk) 20:48, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

- Another update: Dave Meltzer reported in his newsletter, that following a meeting between Ric Flair and Vince McMahon on September 20th, things have gotten worse between the two parties, and Vince McMahon was upset that Ric Flair had actually brought lawyers with him. Ric Flair left the meeting and nothing was resolved. Dave Meltzer also reported in his newsletter that as of October 4th, Vince McMahon informed WWE’s creative department that Ric Flair would not be returning. TNAWrestling 18:23, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

What is the date on the newsletter that Meltzer says that in? (About October 4th, I mean) MookieZ 18:33, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Well seeing as it is now November 19th, and you were saying he quit in September, surely they would have metioned it, I mean this is Ric Flair were talking about not Daivari or Cryme Tyme Masterofdestiny (talk) 13:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

And seeing as how he's going to be on Raw next week.... Tromboneguy0186 (talk) 11:09, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flair to retire?

It seems that Flair is going to retire tonight. WWE.com has put up an article which says that "close friends" of Flair speculate that he will announce his retirment tonight on Raw. The article can be found here: http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/4924778/ricflairretirement User:Milkman519 (talk) 18:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

There's a good chance. But why lose to Orton and retire in his hometown? J.C. (talk) 02:51, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Flair defeated Randy Orton in his "career threatening match", thanks to Chris Jericho. So, Flair has not retired. But I believe that stipulation, that Mr. McMahon gave him, still applies to all of his matches. If he ever loses a match, he will be forced to retire.Milkman519 (talk) 04:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure this is some sort of a push, and WWE wants the fans to get behind him again. J.C. (talk) 05:10, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure I heard that Flair had signed a 3 year contract somewhere.

On New Years Eve on Raw. Triple H vs Flair. HHH is going to throw the match and Flair is going to win until McMahon says he can lose. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.215.112 (talk) 10:08, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Your source? This isn't a forum to speculate. We'll find out tomorrow on Raw. J.C. (talk) 02:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

The last thing I saw about any retirement concerning Flair was that he was going to win the World Title one more time before doing so and retiring while he is on top. This would make since to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.65.79 (talk) 02:59, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Ric Flair lost a retirement match tonight to Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania XXIV in Orlando, FL. Of course, retirements in pro wrestling mean little (Flair's long-time adversary Terry Funk has "retired" numerous times).24.187.134.112 (talk) 02:35, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] When Did Ric Flair begin using his trade name?

I am contesting that your article states that Ric Flair changed his ring name from Rick Fliehr his adopted name to Ric Flair by your accounts is inaccurate. Your article states that he changed it in 1972. This is false. I have a program that shows him on the card in St. Petersburg Florida at the Bayfront Center in April 1976 and it still lists him as Rick Fliehr. If you want to see a scan I will be happy to send it. Need to get your facts straight. You can write me at wolfpak117@yahoo.com. Have a nice Day!

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.143.145 (talk) 04:54, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] awards

why arent his wrestling observer newsletter awards there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.205.90 (talk) 18:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:PW consensus is to only list the highest ranking each perfromer receieved. Why that is not present in Flair's article I don't know. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 19:24, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying it should be there or not? the first sentence seems like you're saying it should be there, but the second the sentence sentence seems like you're saying its not.. :S 142.162.205.90 (talk) 20:27, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry. Only the highest instance of his ranking should be there. Every occurence of him winning a WON award should not be listed, only when he was ranked highest. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:29, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

What about five star matches? 142.162.205.90 (talk) 20:36, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea about that. You'll have to wait for a response from someone else. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Bret Hart's has his 5 star matches. It also has his feuds of the year awards which Flair has won (Terry Funk in 1989.) So, it should be added. 142.162.205.90 (talk) 20:43, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

  • 5 star matches aren't awards. He rates tons of matches. Also, it shouldn't be in Bret Hart's article, thanks for letting me know. It would be like listing "Two thumbs up from Siskel and Ebert" in the list of awards for a movie. TJ Spyke 00:16, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "he rates tons of matches?" theres probally lots of other wrestler articles with 5 star matches too. i'll erase it I find. 142.162.195.255 (talk) 15:31, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Chris Benoit —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.195.255 (talk) 15:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Ric Flair vs. Jack Veneno

Image:Venenoflair.jpg

In this article do not mention anything about who was defeated by jack Veneno in 1982 (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Veneno#Sus_dos_luchas_contra_Ric_Flair article in spanish) and stripped of his title of world champion,and Jack veneno won the tittle of world campion of NWA World Heavyweight Championship (National Wrestling Alliance), but they did not give the official tittle. Should editing the article. ;)

Video of the moment went Ric Flair was defeated for Jack veneno in 1982 [3]

[edit] STF

signature move? nah.

142.162.206.242 (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

also, the first time it says "Terry Funk" it should be linked

142.162.201.250 (talk) 13:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

SOME BODY UNPROTECT THIS PAGE. THERES VANDALISM LIKE STF ADN TERRY FUNK GOT NO LINK. EMERGNCY. OH MY GOD. loz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.203.68 (talk) 16:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

What? Please explain this more clearly. A registered user should be able to take care of it. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

STF isn't a signature move and "Terry Funk" isn't linked.

142.162.203.68 (talk) 19:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I've linked to Funk's article. I'm not familiar with Flair's early career, and he may well have used the STF before to going to WWE. I'll wait for another response on that matter before I remove it. :) Gavyn Sykes (talk) 20:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Should anything be said about Jack Veneno? See tingy above.

142.162.203.68 (talk) 01:52, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

why isnt terry funk feud of the year for 1989 on there? 142.162.200.117 (talk) 19:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it's safe to say STF isn't a signature, Terry Funk foty should be there and jack veneno. tks.

142.162.199.43 (talk) 22:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd like a reply. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.194.183 (talk) 23:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Jack Veneno? Feud of the Year with Terry Funk? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.198.81 (talk) 14:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

lol I have been watching wrestling for nearly 2 decades, and I have never seen or heard of Flair ever doing a step-over toe hold. So yeah, it is indeed pretty safe to say that STF is NOT a signature move for Ric Flair. Forock (talk) 08:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another mistake..

It says Flair came to the NWA in '75. He actually came in '74.

Please provide a source, and also sign your posts. Thanks, ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/flair.html#89

142.162.198.148 (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Y Done ♥Nici♥Vampire♥Heart♥ 19:25, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The site it links to links to the 1987 part of Flair's career.. This would be the correct link..

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/bios/flair.html#nwama

RandySavageFTW (talk) 20:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Could it be fixed that the link links to the 1974 part of his career? It links to '89..

RandySavageFTW (talk) 20:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please Add

Despite his age, less-than-chiseled physique, and being past his prime as a "main-eventer," Flair is still a capable performer. Flair became over with the crowd, often due to his in-ring antics, including cheating ways (earning him the distinction of being "the dirtiest player in the game"), his trademark strut and his shouting of "Woooooo!" While his charisma has never been in question, Flair's moveset has become limited in recent years, mainly punches, chops, back body drops and various devious maneuvers. Some exceptions where he has stepped outside this small package of moves include a Monday Night RAW contest against Kurt Angle in June 2005,[49] an Intercontinental Championship match at Unforgiven 2005,[22] and a Money in the Bank ladder match at WrestleMania 22.


Ithink That the Ric Flair triple H match on New years Eve he went way out side his 4 moves and put on one heck of a match. Am I the Only one?Joe ferst (talk) 15:22, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I also think Money in the Bank should be took off. He did, what?, 2 moves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.189.143 (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Legacy

Should it be noted that Shawn Michaels looked upset as he hit his finisher on Flair?

He mouthed "I'm sorry, I love you" before he hit Sweet Chin Music, and he looked visibly upset.

It probably shows how much a legend around the business he was. 77.99.186.110 (talk) 10:22, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


That's not considered notable. That was probably scripted anyways. J.C. (talk) 06:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I would think that the end of raw on march 31st should be added to legacy, since the 2003 tribute is. Added it.Mysticalone27 (talk) 14:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I doub't it was part of the script because matches don't have scripts, they plan the moves but nothing else. Ric is one of Shawns best friends so he would mean it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lums1991 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Retirement from wrestling

Should it be added in a seperate section about the "Career Threatening" story line which he took part in up to his real retirement match as wrestlemania 24? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lums1991 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


http://youtube.com/watch?v=VGWubfIKUPY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.171.83.204 (talk) 02:07, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] another mistake

the 4 horsemen that appeared were Tully Blanchard, Barry Windham and Arn Anderson, they are not the "original incarnation" though (as it says at the end of paragraph 2.6.2). compare this very same article above Career/Four Horsemen as well as the main article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Horsemen_%28professional_wrestling%29 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoochiephil (talk • contribs) 16:38, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. Gavyn Sykes (talk) 16:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pronunciation of Fliehr

I added the correct pronunciation of Fliehr--and it was reverted back. I was not sure why, as this differentiates between "Flair" (pronounced "flare") verses "fly'-er" (the correct pronunciation of 'Fliehr" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by JIMMYLINE (talk • contribs) 19:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Flair's legitimate last name is not pronounced Fly'-er. Flair has pronounced his given last name on numerous occasions. Fleer is not exact, but is much, much closer than Fly'-er.

Proof thereof: Flair pronounces his name at about 2:38 into the interview. [4]

Silver Salmon (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nickname

What about " The greatest wrestler to dawn a pair of tights or lace up a pair of boots Adster95 (talk) 18:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Farewall - Undertaker

The article states that even the undertaker appeared for the farewell. Are you sure? I didn't see him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.73.23.119 (talk) 21:03, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

'Taker and Vince came out after Raw. I believe the video is on YouTube.

RandySavageFTW (talk) 21:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Vince came out first, hugged Ric (breaking Kayfabe, but regardless, it was a beautiful sight to see) and then the Undertaker came out after, did his signature taunt thing on one knee, saluting Ric. 67.68.36.96 (talk) 13:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ric Flair's song on the debut episode of WWF Raw (1980's)

I'm watching the WWE RAW 15th Anniversary DVD and the very first clip is a match between Ric Flair and Mr. Perfect on the very first episode of RAW. Ric's entrance music wasn't Dawn, as far as I could tell. It was another opera/orchestra type song. I'm not sure what it was though. If someone could find a video clip of the match and find out what it was. 67.68.36.96 (talk) 13:52, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other in-ring Names

You have the Black Scorpion, but shouldn't you put "The Nature Boy" aswell? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.139.22 (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The Nature Boy is a nickname, not a ring-name.Skilldog2 (talk) 23:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Then why was he always announced as "Nature Boy" Ric Flair everytime he came out to work a match or do an interview? Odin's Beard (talk) 22:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)