Talk:Rhinoplasty

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[edit] surgeryimages site

I have a site containing images from a rhinoplasty procedure ,but since It's my site someone else must approve the link first before adding it to the external links

http://surgery-images.com/plastic/rhinoplasty.html Nfostiras 08:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)nfostiras

[edit] Clean Up

This page needs better references. Recurring dreams 01:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


Agreed. For starters, can someone please provide the technical name of the type of surgeon that performs rhinoplasties? M. Frederick 01:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

He or she is known as a plastic surgeon. Usually, a board-certified plastic surgeon is required. And then, rhinoplasty, being one of the most difficult plastic surgeries, also has a procedure known as Revision Rhinoplasty. That surgeon specializes in repairing botched cases, which are doubly hard and complicated because they were not done correctly the first time.Charles.Downey 16:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC) there are several specialists who operate on the nose. otolaryngologists(ent surgeons), plastic surgeons maxilofacial surgeons and recently dermatologists. accurate statistics are difficult to come by as the number of cosmetic rhinoplasties are not monitored. however the following may help-in ontario canada, 573 reconstructive rhinoplasties were done last year. 80% were by otolaryngologists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Oakleysmith (talk • contribs) 02:51, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Political correctness

I am not American, and am quite convinced that rhinoplasties are performed on non-American citizens. Why are blacks and asians referred to as "African-Americans" and "Asian-Americans"? Besides that, do non-whites in your country really want to be called by those cumbersome names...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.209.99.7 (talk) 21:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I agree, political correctness is forcing us to behave obtusely. I have no qualms with using "Black" or "Asian" (East Asian, if the orient is to be implied) in this context (I am black myself, Canadian, so I also find the term "Afro-American" even more restrictive then the racial restrictions it sought to destroy when its use was popularized). Then again, to be fair, the statement does not imply that only African/Asian-Americans are the ethnic recipients of this surgery, only that, of those groups, many choose to do it, and it would not be terribly far off to assume that of any ethnic Black/Asian sub-population, America does have the most members. 74.12.75.157 03:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

I have changed it to "patients of African descent". Charles 03:06, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cost, Expense, Risks, Side Effects?

There is no mention of any of these in the article. I'd think it informative to include a section on the potential risks and side effects of rhinoplasty (i.e. nose collapse, infections, etc). Naturually, the cost can vary from region and country, but I think a general/average range of expense for this surgery would be nice (a break down by region even better).74.12.75.157 03:29, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

i will add side effects/complicationsOakleysmith (talk) 02:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Non surgical nose job

Under the rhinoplasty section "non surgical nose job" is a term coined and trademarked by a Dr. Alexander rivkin he pretty much invented the procedure that dates back to 2003. The proof for the invention of the phrase and the actual word can be found under (TM-Source: Serial Number 77/097,402) I think a persons name should be mentioned in the article to atleast give partial credit to person who came up with the procedure. Give credit where credit is due. --Happyfeetprod (talk) 21:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

(from my talk page) : The problem here is that Dr. Rivkin only trademarked the term, "Non-Surgical Nose Job™" and using this term in the Rhinoplasty article isn't appropriate, given the subject is non-surgical rhinoplasty in the generic sense. What you added, as well as the article you have previously created is simply blatantly promotional; in other words, an advert. Proof of trademarking a term doesn't establish notability nor does it make it encyclopedic - Alison ❤ 21:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)


i understand what you're saying, in terms of the difference between the terms non surgical rhinoplasty and non surgical nose job, and perhaps this is not quite what i wanted to emphasize. my point is that, before Rivkin came along, there was no such concept of non surgical rhinoplasty, or non surgical nose job. he is the first one, if you look at the articles and videos on the net, to offer this procedure, under any name. so the issue here is what is advertising Vs what is legitimate credit for the invention of a technique. in an article about relativity, you have to mention Einstein - you would agree that this is not advertising or promotion. it is simply a fact that Einstein developed the ideas of relativity. similarly, it is simply a fact that rivkin was the first to come up with the concept of changing the shape of someone's nose via injections. subsequently, several other doctors adopted the technique and tried to attach their names to it.

In fact, the 2 sources that you let stay on, 2 completely different articles that mentions the same doctor, has quotes regarding non surgical rhinoplasty that Dr. Rivkin had made 2 years prior. Anyway, I think that by putting in 2 articles with references to the same New York doctor is more of an obvious advert than it would be to acknowledge the guy who actually invented the procedure. also, how is a today show clip an obvious advert whereas a USA today article is a legitimate reference? Atleast a comprise should be made that and it would make sense to acknowledge Rivkin's development of the procedure, to say that multiple doctors are doing it now, and to include references like the today show clip. --Happyfeetprod (talk) 08:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'd really like to see some reliable sources such as PUBMED or some peer-reviewed publications, really, that Dr. Rivkin is a pioneer in this field. The reason I ask is that I'm aware that people have been using dermal fillers for quite some time to achieve this effect. In fact, Europe, they've been successfully using Aquamid and Hyaluronic acid in this way. If, as you say, he's a noted pioneer, then he definitely should get a mention. The Today Show clip would be problematic due to copyright and our policy regarding external links. - Alison ❤ 08:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


ok, i see what you mean, i guess, but in the external link policy it specifically states that you tube video is an acceptable link. also, is there a preference for written sources over video on wikipedia? you're saying that a today show segment is promotional, whereas a transcribed abc news segment is an acceptable reference? --Happyfeetprod (talk) 07:29, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

i would suggest this section be removed entirely. it could better be placed in an area on cosmetic fillers. it mentions the only living doctor. who probably isnt a surgeon. i get the feeling its advertising. Oakleysmith (talk) 20:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

sorry, i was wrong. he is an otolaryngologist which is a surgical specialty.Oakleysmith (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2008 (UTC)