Talk:Rhinemaidens (Wagner)

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Contents 1 Chéreau 2 Name 3 Naked Rhinemaidens 4 Categories 5 GAN on hold

[edit] Chéreau

I wonder about "resolved the water problem". Chéreau's Ring was memorable, and extremely funny in parts, but I don't know that he "resolved" the problem. Perhaps "addressed"'? Just a suggestion. Tim riley (talk) 17:01, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

He "resolved" the problem of staging an underwater scene by playing the scene out of the water, using the dam. Having said that, "addressed" is much more elegant, so I've changed it,

Brianboulton (talk) 21:58, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

Nice article. Shouldn't it be called Rhinemaidens (Wagner)? Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Very possibly. I'll consider this. Brianboulton (talk) 09:32, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I certaily would vote for that sort of change. Indeed, if they are original to Wagner, why not just call the article Rhinemaidens?--Peter cohen (talk) 12:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

The title wasn't free when I first developed the article; Rhinemaidens then linked to an article called Nix, about water-sprites generally. I changed the link a few weeks ago, so it now comes to here. Since the article is nominated for GA as Wagner's Rhinemaidens, should any change be left until after the GA process? Or can it be done now? Brianboulton (talk) 23:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Looking at your user page, you've had more experience than I of the process. You could ask on the nominations talk page.--15:21, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

It's apparently OK to change the name during the GA process. My preference is for the Ssilvers suggestion: Rhinemaidens (Wagner). This is because, should I pick up my future idea of writing articles on other Ring characters it will be necessary to use a style e.g. Wotan (Wagner) to distinguish from the existing article on the mythical figure. If anyone feels that this is a misguided choice, let me know. Brianboulton (talk) 10:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Not having heard a dissenting voice, I made it Rhinemaidens (Wagner). I've fixed the redirects and altered the GAN page. Maybe the new name will entice a GA review (perhaps should have called it Naked Rhinemaidens). Brianboulton (talk) 22:06, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Naked Rhinemaidens

I don't think that the current ROH production is the first to feature these. DIdn't the Bayreuth Peter Hall one have them too?--Peter cohen (talk) 12:41, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. The article doesn't claim that the ROH production was the first in this respect, there could have been others. I mention it as the most recent instance. Brianboulton (talk) 17:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that Hall's wasn't the first either, although his use of a reflected pool and butt-naked singers probably comes closer to Wagner's vision than any before. Superb article, BTW. I hope you get your GA rating! Are planning any others (Wagner's Giants/Gods/Dragons, etc)?--Dogbertd (talk) 18:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I've confirmed that the Hall production did have naked Rhinemaidens. I've also added a mention of the wheeled stands of 1876 and a piccie.

[edit] Categories

Since the article is about characters in an opera, it seems odd that the categories of Germanic myth and Legendary creatures are retained, but the Opera category removed as unsuitable. I am seeking an explanation from the editor who did this. Brianboulton (talk) 22:09, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

....and he has explained. No further problem. Brianboulton (talk) 09:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GAN on hold

• "Alberich steals the gold: Das Rheingold, Scene I – the initiating act of the entire Ring drama." - should that be an em dash?
  • Yes - done. Brianboulton (talk) 09:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• "German legend of Lorelei" - links to an article about a rock...check dab
  • The link article isn't only about the rock, it covers the legend as well, and also includes a translation of Heine's poem. It's the only relevant article on the dab page. Admittedly its not a great link, but it's all there is. Alternative is delinking. Brianboulton (talk) 09:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
• "Within the story told in the operas, the background of the Rhinemaiden characters is undisclosed. Nobody knows where they come from." - second sentence reads awkward, suggest a merge...
  • Yes, I've reworded these sentences into one. Brianboulton (talk) 09:18, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Article is quite good over all, couldn't find much. Leave me a note when done. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 03:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Everything else looks good; passing. dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 06:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

This GAN has passed, and this is now a good article! If you found this review helpful, please consider helping out a fellow editor by reviewing another good article nomination. Help and advice on how to do so is available at Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles, and you can ask for the help of a GAN mentor, if you wish.

Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H₂O) 06:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, DHMO, for the review. And thanks, Brian, for creating WP:Wagner's second GA.--Peter cohen (talk) 16:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)