Template talk:Rfd

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Template:Rfd is permanently protected from editing, as it is a heavily used or visible template.

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[edit] Target Rfd subsection?

It would be helpful if "its entry on the Redirects for Deletion page" linked directly to the section in question, rather than the whole long RfD page, at the top. —Centrx→talk • 03:39, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Preload

{{editprotected}} Please change the "edit today's RFD" link from this:

{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|action=edit}}

to this:

{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/{{CURRENTYEAR}} {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTDAY}}|preload=Template:Rfd_starter&action=edit}}

Thanks. --- RockMFR 20:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Y Done. Sandstein 22:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plainlinks

{{sudo}}

Change the message's class attribute to class="boilerplate metadata plainlinks", to hide the external link icon on what is actually an internal link. Thanks – Gurch 02:09, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Y Done Adambro 11:10, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] There is something wrong with the template

{{editprotected}} It says "DO NOT SUBST THIS" for what reason? So a default summary comes, which is NOT "content was: ...." that only comes then there is pure nonsense pages, or something like that. Not if there is a real discussion, normally it's just "Deleted per WP:RFD/Month X 20XX", I will tell you how this is a problem.

The template links to the current date, NOT the main redirect for deletion page, instead the log page of today. This is a problem because it can be misleading.

Can someone please fix it? TheBlazikenMaster 00:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Editprotected requests are for immediate changes that someone wants. I'm not sure how to solve your problem, but it seems discussion on this page, and perhaps on WP:RFD would be more appropriate before using an editprotected tag. Cheers. --MZMcBride 00:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, good point. I brought it to attention on the talk page there. TheBlazikenMaster 17:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Have you contacted Zondor? According to the logs, that is the template author. Perhaps Centrx — the editor who protected the template — could chime in as well... --Aarktica 18:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
What would be the use? Neither of them are in any administrator category, so what could they do? TheBlazikenMaster 18:49, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Mea culpa. I was under the impression that special privileges were required to protect pages. --Aarktica 19:44, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, maybe Centrx used to be an admin, but no longer is, could that be a possibility? Well, I will probably ask that person myself. TheBlazikenMaster 20:00, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
You are correct that the link doesn't work as currently specified. I have removed it until the issue is resolved as we shouldn't have broken links. Personally, as a closer, I prefer having the template not-subst'd as it easier to remove when closing keeps. However, that's minor and we should make it easier on editors. We can restore the link and start subst'ing the template if people find the link useful. Perhaps a template expert would have a alternative solution? -- JLaTondre 19:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The link isn't actually broken, it's misleading. Anyway thanks. It's better now. Well, this is better solution than what I had in mind, thanks. But good point, we should get an expert. How about link like this: [[redirects for deletion#{{pagename}}|click here]]?TheBlazikenMaster 19:59, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I realize that this discussion is over a week old, but a few points for clarity:

  1. Only admins can protect pages.
  2. User:Centrx is an admin.
  3. Admins are necessarily in a specific category or have a specific icon on their user pages. The only surefire way to know if a user is an admin is to take a trip to Special:Listusers/sysop.

--MZMcBride 07:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFD for Deletion?

{{editprotected}} Shouldn't this template be changed from Deletion to Discussion, as the Wikipedia name also changed? This issue confuses users as to the nature of the discussion of the redirect, especially if some discussion are merely to reach consensus on re-targeting. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 11:12, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Not really. The category name remains Category:Redirects for deletion and something can't be "considered for discussion." --MZMcBride 03:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Oh, I beg to differ. Redirects are actually considered for discussion, as its name implies, since nominations are not always directly for deletion. Sometimes a redirect is nominated because consensus on an adequate retarget is necessary. Additionally, categories are considered for discussion, including user categories.
I only suggest changing the template's wording, not its links or the categories it affects. I just prefer consistency: if the Wikipedia project's name is For Discussion, then its main template which directs all users to it should also have that name. What do you think? - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 10:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Sometimes redirects change into a disambiguation pages. Don't forget that. TheBlazikenMaster 14:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Exactly my point. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 19:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I think that if the template is changed to say "This redirect page is being considered for discussion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy," it will violate both the rules of English grammar and it will not make any sense. It's referring to Wikipedia's deletion policy while simultaneously saying that the redirect is up for discussion; this can only serve to confuse a reader, especially a non-editor. --MZMcBride 20:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

I am disabling the editprotected tag, since this change is clearly still under discussion. — Carl (CBM · talk) 20:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


  • Suggestion: I'm suggesting the following change to the template:
The use and purpose of this redirect is currently being discussed by the Wikipedia community. The outcome of this discussion may result in a change of this page, and possibly its deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy.
Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the Redirects for discussion page.
Please do not subst this template. Using {{rfd}} rather than {{subst:rfd}} provides a convenient default reason summary for the deleting administrator, e.g.:
"Content was: "{{rfd}}#REDIRECT [[Targetpage]]".

I admit that the change may be a bit bold when compared to the traditional templates for XFDs. But I think it presents a clearer picture to the reader, especially to newcomers, as to the nature of Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Feel free to add or change its wording as you like, I'm just trying to throw an idea into this discussion. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 00:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Leave a note on Wikipedia talk:Redirects for discussion requesting comment, and if there's no objection, I'll make the change. However, it is "their" template, so they should have input into a large change like this one. Cheers. --MZMcBride 01:30, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

I object to this change. This format and wording is purposely consistent with the other templates in this series. The current text is simple and grammatically correct and conveys a meaning without being overbearing or confusing, plus to delete or not to delete is the most common outcome here. --After Midnight 0001 00:43, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn. I just updated this template without realizing a comment had been left here. My apologies; I just thought that anyone would have left a comment on WT:RFD. Discussion should continue. Personally, I think the newer message is more accurate, and in my view, more accuracy is always better. Also, there seems to be a valid point that the page is no longer titled "Redirects for deletion" for presumably the same reasons that this template now lists: i.e., deletion is not the only outcome. I'd be happy to change the template back if consensus dictates that, but for right now, it should remain. Cheers. --MZMcBride 02:08, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
It happens. - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 02:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Here's another suggestion: The use and purpose of this redirect is currently being discussed by the Wikipedia community. The outcome of this discussion may result in its deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policy. The situations presented is that the Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion is not exclusively used to Delete or Keep, but rather to sort out common problems with redirects (including retargets or disambiguation pages). - Mtmelendez (Talk|UB|Home) 02:48, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Better aesthetic

I think it would be better if you put «:<small>''"Content was: "{{rfd}}#REDIRECT [[{{FULLPAGENAME}}]]"''.</small></div><noinclude> » instead of «:<small>''"Content was: "{{rfd}}#REDIRECT [[Targetpage]]"''.</small></div><noinclude>»--Iradigalesc 19:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why does this template say the opposite of AFD and CFD?

You cannot use those without getting message "YOU MUST STUB THIS", I don't get why this one is different. There is a false reason of why this one shouldn't be subst'd. On deletion log I have rarely seen "Content was:", most of the times I have seen "Deleted via RFD, see: Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion/log/that particular day", so why does this say no subst?

It makes no sense at all. TheBlazikenMaster 23:04, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Template documentation

{{editprotected}} Hi, I've started template documentation found at Template:Rfd/doc (see WP:DOC for details). Please update the template source to the following:

{{ambox
| type  = serious
| image = none
| text  = '''The use and purpose of this redirect is currently being discussed by the Wikipedia community. The outcome of this discussion may result in a change of this page, and possibly its deletion in accordance with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion policy]][[Template:Rfd|.]]'''<br />Please share your thoughts on the matter at its entry on the [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] page.<br /><small>Please do not [[Wikipedia:Template substitution|subst]] this template. Using {{rfd}} rather than {{subst:rfd}} provides a convenient default reason summary for the deleting administrator, e.g.: </small>
:<small>''"Content was: "{{rfd}}#REDIRECT [[Targetpage]]"''.</small>}}<includeonly>[[Category:Redirects for deletion|{{PAGENAME}}]]</includeonly><noinclude>
<!--
    PLEASE DO NOT ADD DOCUMENTATION/CATEGORIES/INTERWIKIS HERE
-->
{{Template doc}}
<!--
    MAKE ADDITIONS TO THE /doc SUBPAGE INSTEAD, THANKS
-->
</noinclude>

My only changes were to replace everything after <noinclude>. Thanks. +mt 18:40, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Done. --- RockMFR 02:57, 30 September 2007 (UTC)