User talk:Reverend Loveshade

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Hello, Reverend Loveshade, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Yao Ziyuan 05:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, Yao Ziyuan. I'll look over those things carefully before I edit an article. Reverend Loveshade 05:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to the very talented Icarus 23 for naming me a Discordian Pope, even though (according to Discordians) everyone is a Discordian Pope.

Thanks to anonymous for adding the subtitle to my work and for giving it a most creative spelling.

Thanks to Idib for correcting the most creative spelling, and adding a note.

And thanks to myself for being a self-centered, egomanical, preverted, mad pseudo-genius who likes to fool people into thinking I just might be a decent human being by thanking people. Reverend Loveshade 16:17, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Discordian Works

I put the problems with someone gutting this article up for mediation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-02-10_Discordian_Works I hope I stated the case clearly and without sounding angry even though I am. I think that wise heads can see what's being done for themselves. I really think Ek-sen-trik-kuh Discordia: The Tales of Shamlicht should have its own article. But nothing justifies cutting it when the vote was KEEP! Binky The WonderSkull 05:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I realized a bit late that I responded on that page and not here as well. Thank you for letting me know about it. Reverend Loveshade 04:35, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Request for arbitration

A Request for arbitration has been filed concerning conduct in regard to Discordian Works on Wikipedia. I thought you'd want to know. It's at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration Binky The WonderSkull 16:20, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

As above, I commented there and not here. Retroactive thanks. Reverend Loveshade 04:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Summary blah blah

Hey, I didn't mean to say that you called me a vandal. I was making a summary of the pejorative statements you and the other people made on Talk:Discordian Works/Archive1. To refresh your memory, here they are:

Wow! I just learned that cafepress, infotoday.com, Steve Jackson Games, 23 Apples of Eris, www.dia.net.au of Australia, Robert Anton Wilson's site, Wikisource, the site of a candidate for the U. S. Senate, and a U. S. Government site (firstgov.gov), and my own discordia.loveshade.org site are all free member sites! Cool! I'll stop looking for sponsors to make our payments! And as Wikipedia itself has a large number of links to this article, we can assume that Wikipedia doesn't need any more donations! And you can bet I won't be paying any more taxes now that the U. S. Government is a free site! Gosh, thanks Ashibaka! Reverend Loveshade 05:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
By the way, I just reread WP:RS as Ashibaka suggested. I found it very informative and reassuring. I suggest you do the same. Thanks again, Ashibaka! Reverend Loveshade 06:01, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I congratulate Shii alias Ashibaka in possessing the acumen to sum up the whole of a three month debate over several Wikipedia pages into such a short and concise summary. We can clearly see that he was merely standing firm on well-grounded Wikipedia policy, whereas those who expressed differing opinions were merely name-calling. [...]

See, what you did was refuse to debate me logically and instead made snarky, sarcastic comments. You'll notice that my response to the first two was "Don't be a jerk." That's because when I read these comments I rolled my eyes at the ceiling. I do believe that your works are neo-pagan fan fiction, and they have nothing to do with Discordianism and do not belong on Wikipedia, so if you want to keep them on Wikipedia please work hard on finding sources for your statements and don't sass me when I ask you to. This isn't Usenet. Thanks. Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 06:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments! I plan to post them on my website. And I promise I won't sass you when you ask me to. Reverend Loveshade 04:01, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shii's (formerly Ashibaka) Wikipedian comments about me and my work

This is by no means a list of all the comments, just a few highlights. Note that in some of these cases this user, who happens to be an administrator and is thus in a position to set an example for the rest of us, also applied these statements to others. If you want to make comments to this section, please do so in the section Wikipedian Responses below. Have a day!

  • 'This is evidence that the book is taking itself far too seriously to be a true Discordian work, since obviously it will have no impact on the use of traditional third-person pronouns in Western society. Genderless neologisms are frequently seen in neo-pagan literature, not Discordian literature.'
Ashibaka added to the Discordian Works article, not to a talk page, on 02:30, 30 January 2007 [1]
  • 'This, too, is far too serious and self-important to be considered a Discordian belief.'
Ashibaka also added to the Discordian Works article, not to a talk page, on 02:30, 30 January 2007 [2]
  • '...A Discordian fan [would] recognize the ridiculousness of including a book that uses gender-neutral third-person pronouns as a "Discordian work". And where in the Principia Discordia does it say that "this is the philosophy of generally being nice to people?" Just because it is a humorous book doesn't mean it is a Flying Spaghetti Monster-style meaningless parody. I will not allow random people to advocate "nudism for all ages" and get their nonsense listed on Wikipedia as a "Discordian work". And if Wikipedia really allows that (which it doesn't), I will write my own book, put it on Cafepress, and add it to this page.'
Ashibaka (tock) 22:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Talk:Discordian_Works/Archive1
  • 'If you want to start your own religion, that's fine, but don't call Wicca Druidism, and don't call a bunch of random junk you made up yourself Discordianism.'
Ashibaka (tock) 22:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Talk:Discordian_Works/Archive1
  • 'We can't simply list every self-described Discordian work because it will inevitably include Harry Potter fanfiction, cow jokes, and other crap.'
Ashibaka (tock) 22:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Talk:Discordian_Works/Archive1
  • 'I do believe that your works are neo-pagan fan fiction, and they have nothing to do with Discordianism and do not belong on Wikipedia....'
Shii formerly Ashibaka 06:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC) User_talk:Reverend Loveshade
  • 'Can Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter make statements for him about gay rights? Can the illustrator of the Hitchhiker's Guide graphic novel make statements about what Douglas Adams' philosophy was?'
Ashibaka (tock) 22:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Wikipedia:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2007-02-10_Discordian_Works
  • 'Summary of current discussion:
Shii: This article has no reliable sources. The claims made by unreliable sources are extremely dubious and do not belong on Wikipedia.
IamthatIam, Reverend Loveshade, Binky The WonderSkull: Shii is a vandal.'
Shii (tock) formerly Ashibaka 15:03, 14 March 2007 (UTC) Talk:Discordian_Works/Archive1#WP:3O
  • 'Don't be a jerk.'
Ashibaka (tock) 07:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC) Talk:Discordian_Works/Archive1#Mediation_request

[edit] Bonus comments

This one is not specifically about me and is not by Shii aka Ashibaka, but is about anyone who might consider editing the Discordian Works article. It's by a user who refuses to be an administrator.

  • 'If anyone adds any unsourced material after this article is unprotected I will leave you one warning on your talk page. If it happens again I will refer the party to an outside admin for a block. We all now know what can and cannot be added to wikipedia and knowingly breaking the rules by adding inappropriate material you will be commiting vandalism.'
NeoFreak 16:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC) Talk:Discordian_Works
Note: The italics in that quote are Neofreak's.

This user's page begins with a quote that is reportedly by Wikipedian founder Jimbo Wales that I find instructive:

  • 'When I am asked to look into cases of "admin abuse" and I choose to do so, I generally find myself astounded at how nice we are to complete maniacs, and for how long.'
Jimbo Wales

[edit] Wikipedian Responses

Please keep these civil!

I'll try to keep this civil. Shii formerly Ashibaka has persistently insulted people, threatened them, and destroyed their work to where some people have simply left Wikipedia. Some like me simply left for a while, although I'm wondering why I've come back. How a person like this is allowed to stay as an administrator I don't know. IamthatIam 16:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

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Oh dear, those nasty bots do love destroying my poor orphans! Reverend Loveshade (talk) 07:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Binky

You left a note on my talk page re: Binky. Please see [3] William M. Connolley (talk) 20:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)