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[edit] Palindrome

I'm adding

An article by him was denounced in print as a transparent fraud because the palindrome looked so suspicious.

My guess would be that the article was an op-ed piece in the New York Times in the 1960s. The accusation by a reader was published simultaneously with a statement that such and such an institution listed him among their faculty.
--Jerzy·t 17:40, 2005 August 4 (UTC)
I dunno if it's worth working into the article, but i'd never heard the name elsewhere, & got curious abt whether is was invented solely to provide the palindrome. It seems otherwise, even though most Google hits on

Revilo -Oliver

appear to be products or handles. Revilo Winchell Bio is pretty elaborate if it is a fraud; it says

Revilo Winchell was born in Rockville, Conn., March 23, 1837

and the placenames make sense. I'll research for further confirmation of its authenticity if requested.
--Jerzy·t 17:57, 2005 August 4 (UTC)

[edit] National Socialist?

What is the basis for the assertion that Oliver was a National Socialist, or held any Socialist viewpoints and/or ideology. nobs 05:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I wondered about the assertion too. I guess it is pretty accurate to say that he "came to openly embrace an essentially National Socialist worldview", as he was in accord with its main principles (esp. "anti-Semitic" Aryan racialism) and wrote favorably of it. I don't think of him as being an National Socialist in the same way that George Lincoln Rockwell or Savitri Devi were, as they held NS as the answer in a way that Oliver didn't seem to. In "Eminent Sheeny", Oliver asserts that "by destroying Hitler and the National Socialist régime in Germany, [Americans] destroyed their own future." As for being a Socialist, in The Spurious Shekel" he seems to regard National Socialism as "really only a kind of nationalism". —Morning star 06:25, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. That is a well researched and well presented response. In this particular case, it is not too much of strech to brand Oliver with the NS label, and seems well deserved too. nobs 14:31, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I feel this article is a smear and the accusations of fascist, anti-Semitic, neonazi, advocate of racism and anti-Jewish need to be backed up with proof. I have read some of his material and it is clearheaded intellectual analysis which demonstrates he was a great man with a lot of knowledge. This article makes him sound like some sort of goose stepping nazi. Lightningstrikes 05:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

You are exactly right. Wikipedia is notorious for its subtle philo-Marxist and philo-Judaic biases. Non-polemical scholarly accuracy in relation to Western racial nationalists is not very likely. See Kevin B. MacDonald on this subject, especially his Culture of Critique.

Comment As an admirer of Dr. Oliver, I don't see this article as particularly biased. It has things in it I like, and things in it I don't much care for, which rather ought to be the reaction of a partisan (on either side) to most neutral articles on controversial figures. I have read Dr. Oliver's America's Decline and The Jewish Strategy. In the first book, he speculates that it would be a good thing if in the future, as he felt was not unlikely, that the dominant religion of the West, Christianity, be replaced by a new faith in which Adolf Hitler would replace Jesus Christ as the central figure. On that basis, as well as the lack of any contradictory remarks in those two books, or in those of his other essays & speeches with which I am familiar, I feel quite comfortable in placing Dr. Oliver firmly in the camp of national socialism. The organization now known as National Vanguard, but previously known in the late 1960s as the National Youth Alliance, was overtly national socialist in orientation (the group's principal founder, Dr. William L. Pierce, was the editor of National Socialist World magazine, which was a publication of George Lincoln Rockwell's American National Socialist White Peoples Party). Dr. Oliver is regarded as one of its (the National Youth Alliance) other founders (in addition to Dr. Pierce, that is) and Dr. Oliver appears in a recruitment film for the National Youth Alliance. I have seen that film on VHS, and it consists of nothing but Dr. Oliver sitting at a desk while explaining the virtues of something which sounds an awful lot like a neo-Nazi perspective, and then he urges everyone watching to join the openly national socialist National Youth Alliance. This really should clear up the matter of whether or not its appropriate to call Dr. Oliver a national socialist. There's no doubt he was one. The fact that he was one of the relatively few American neo-Nazis to have won the respect of non-Nazis is irrelevant; he still was one.KevinOKeeffe 13:44, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oliver's World War II Service

The discussion about Revilo P. Oliver needs major revision. The author of the article accepts without independent verification Oliver's claim that during his World War II service in the Army Signal Corps, Oliver "came to be in charge of a rapidly expanding department, and advanced from Analyst to Director of Research (eventually responsible for the work of about 175 persons.")

However, I have obtained the FBI file on Oliver along with his service records from the National Personnel Records Center. Neither reflect that Oliver was ever a Supervisor or "Director of Research" of anything! All documents refer to him simply as an Analyst.

More details are available from me: Ernie1241@aol.com

After he left the John Birch Society, Oliver associated himself with blatantly anti-semitic and neo-nazi organizations and publications such as George Dietz's publication, Liberty Bell, and William Pierce's National Alliance. [Prior to organizing the National Alliance, Pierce was the editor of the American Nazi Party journal, National Socialist World.]

Oliver's writings are archived on the following websites:

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/ and

http://www.revilo-oliver.com/Audio/Audio.html

With respect to Revilo Oliver being described as a "fascist" or "national socialist" -- I recommend a careful reading of Oliver's many articles published in the frankly pro-nazi magazine Liberty Bell.

Below is an excerpt from a September 1973 article that gives Oliver's interpretation of the "Mass Sedition Trial" of the 1940's -- during which the Justice Department under FDR sought prosecution of numerous individuals who were thought to be pro-nazi.

You may read the entire article at: http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/No_Escape.html

"The Sedition Trial in 1944 made it obvious, and indubitable to anyone willing to think critically about it, that the United States had been surreptitiously captured by the Jews and their Communist barbarians. At that time, the Americans, or a tiny but determined minority of them, amounting perhaps to one-tenth of one percent of the population, could have retaken their country. Instead, for forty-four years, the Americans watched in idiotic apathy the dismantling of their industry, the confiscation of money and its replacement by trading stamps of no intrinsic value, the sabotage and defilement of their culture, the use of their schools to abort children's minds and destroy innate character, their ever increasing subjugation to a ruthless bureaucracy, the gradual elimination of every right their ancestors had enjoyed as freemen, and the wholesale importation into their country of both anthropoid garbage and shrewd racial enemies by the Judaeo-Communist conspiracy. (3)

(3. One of the most important articles ever published in Liberty Bell is Ivor Benson's "The Immigration Riddle Unwrapped" in the issue for April 1988, which makes it clear that the importation of niggers and wogs into Britain was organized and financed by a conspiracy. It is clear that the Jews, having found it impractical to carry out the plan to exterminate all Germans, which was prematurely announced by Kaufmann in Germany Must Perish! (reprint available from Liberty Bell Publications, $4.00 + postage), have resorted to the more gradual method of exterminating the Aryans in all of their countries by running in hordes of sub-humans and eventually dissolving Aryan blood in a fetid mass of mindless mongrels. Aryans, their minds rotted by Christianity, grin idiotically as they see prepared the biological graves to which their children are destined. The present influx of Chinese and Japanese, who are buying up large parts of the United States and Canada, is, of course, an entirely different phenomenon. They belong to a highly intelligent and civilized race, and they, of course, feel only contempt for the Aryan idiots who have, in effect, given away their property by sabotaging their own industrial capacity; they will not debase their own blood by marrying Aryan fools. The influx of Mongolians is encouraged by the Jews, since it hastens the liquidation of the Aryan nation; what will happen when the interests of the two intelligent races no longer coincide is anyone's guess.)" Ernie1241 14:53, 1 December 2007 (UTC)Ernie1241

[edit] lead

We should shorten the lead. I suggest only mentioning his Kennedy assassination conspiracy view, and his later racialist views and involvement with said groups. There rest can be moved down into the bio section. --LC 23:39, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it is an over-long intro. -Will Beback · † · 23:45, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

How did oliver die? Was he a suicide? If so, why isn't it mentioned in hiswikipedia biography?