Talk:Revenge of the Nerds

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Contents 1 Importance 2 Merge 2.1 Survey 2.2 Discussion 3 Article for the Soundtrack 4 The rape scene 5 Douche bag

[edit] Importance

It's the first in the series so I think it deserves a Mid rating. I'll give all the others a low though. Andman8 23:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Should the TV Pilot for Revenge of the Nerds be given its own page? It starred Rob Stone (of "Mr. Belvedere" fame) and Robbie Rist (Cousin Oliver from the Brady Bunch TV series). - 71.236.196.246 07:11, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Revenge of the Nerds (2007 film) should be merged here because it is an article about a canceled remake of this film. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Note: Please do not remove the box on the article that notes that the merge has been suggested. If you feel that the two articles should not be merged, make your case here. Thanks. Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 20:34, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

• Merge as nominator. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

• Merge --Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 02:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - if it ever gets picked up to be made it will warrant a seperate article but until then it's too small and too unimportant on its own. Scaper8 06:27, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - as per Scaper8

• Merge until and if production is revived at all. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 03:15, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - agree with Scaper8 --Mike Segal 04:07, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - do so for now; if there ever is a remake then this can be incorporated into that article , maybe in the production section. --Nehrams2020 04:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - agree with Scaper8 Matt73 15:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - agree w/ Chris Griswold Davidweiner23 02:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - agree with Scaper8 --Baumi 20:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Merge - agree. WP:NOT. Shane ^{(talk/contrib)} 18:13, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

• It is its own seperate entity, and there is rumors of it being moved to a different company. Antmusic 22:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

• Until such a film becomes anything more than a shelved idea, it has no importance and doesn't warrant its own article.Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. 02:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Merged per consensus. The Parsnip! 20:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article for the Soundtrack

A Revenge of the Nerds (soundtrack) article hasn't been made yet... or should it be incorporated into this article? Antmusic 22:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The rape scene

The scene were Lewis puts on a mask and pretends to be Betty's boyfriend, then has sex with Betty while she is thinking she is sleeping with her boyfriend... did Lewis actually rape her? I mean legally, was it rape? JayKeaton 03:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I am pretty sure it would be considered rape, yes. --GracieLizzie 17:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

I really think that would NOT be considered rape --Davidweiner23 14:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I really think that WOULD be considered rape. Just like huge amounts of alcohol or certain drugs can be used to impair a person's judgment, Lewis used a Darth Vader disguise to impair Betty's, thus making her believe she was having sex with her boyfriend. How is this not rape? Current laws make is statutory rape to have sex with children because their judgment has not developed to the point where they may make decisions about who to have sex in an emotionally and psychologically ready manner, and having sex with a legally retarded person is also considered rape for the same reason. If Betty, because of Lewis's deliberate actions, is unable to judge the situation as she normally would by believing Lewis to be her boyfriend, this is most obviously rape.

Now, obviously, it's not portrayed as rape in the movie and it's not meant to be seen that way. Betty enjoys what happened, the movie ends up in a "they lived happily ever after (until the sequel)" mode, and it's a movie from 1984, a time where the opinions on the subject from the film's main demographic would probably just seen this as a funny romance incident where the good guy gets the girl. Whatever the portrayal and intentions, though, unless you can provide a reason why it is not, it should be considered rape. Think Gone With The Wind, except not as controversial because instead of a violent rape it is an impairment of the judgment (and because less people are likely to have seen Revenge Of The Nerds than Gone With The Wind, =P). Just like in gone with the wind, the raped party ends up enjoying what happened, but that does not mean rape did not occur. Jaimeastorga2000 03:28, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Rape is when someone has sex with a person who cannot give consent. Being underage means they can't consent, being drunk means they can't consent, etc. Betty gave her consent (just did so under false pretenses) and therefor it's not rape - maybe regrettable, but not rape.JW 09:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

What he did was not a crime in Massachusets[1]. Rklawton 03:38, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

However, from that same link, "If the Legislature wants to make fraud an element of rape, it should follow the lead of several other states and change the law, the court said." It seems like, if perhaps not a crime in Massachusetts, it is a crime in "several other states." Jaimeastorga2000 19:52, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to rewatch the scene but, I would have to say that there is no possible way for Betty to mistake Lewis's body, that of a scrawny pasty-white black haired self-accepting nerd, with that of her boyfriend, a tanned well-built blonde football jock. Even without the costume taken off, this should have been obvious. --Centerone (talk) 23:56, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. AFAIK, rape occurs only when non-concensual intercourse takes place. In both Revenge of the Nerds and Gone with the Wind, sex takes place off-camera so there is ambiguity as to whether or not consent was made beforehand. In Nerds, it seems most likely that Betty was well aware that she wasn't having sex with Stan. Her response at the end was not a horrified "you're not my boyfriend!" but more a surprised "you're that nerd!" She knew she was cheating on Stan, she just wasn't sure with who. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.173.172.117 (talk) 00:14, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what the charge would be, but I'd liken it to the case of that guy who was calling McDonalds employees and pretending to be a cop in order to get girls to strip. Was he not charged with sexual assault?

It would seem that fraudulently coercing people into sexual situations is a crime; however, I think the real problem with this whole debate is that Revenge of the Nerds, while not exactly Lord of the Rings, is pretty fantastical. As has been mentioned, the entire fact that Betty is tricked is somewhat bizarre, though it would make a great argument that we could assume she, being at a big all day festival, had been drinking.

I'm really surprised so many people make or defend accusations towards Lewis, because it's just such an insanely silly movie. I always thought part of the humor was that the nerds commit all of these acts that are undoubtedly criminal in nature. 63.231.172.200 (talk) 05:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Douche bag

In the scene where Booger says he though he was looking at his mother's old douche bag (but that's in Ohio) he uses 'douche bag' in the way it's used commonplace today. This movie was made before I was born so this is just a thought, but was this the first time douche bag was used that way? JW 09:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The Douche article says that douche bag as a pejorative "goes back to the 1960s". The Oxford English Dictionary has uses from 1968 and 1972. So no, this is not the first use. 140.247.11.25 (talk) 13:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)