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[edit] Sources

Alright, I'm thinking about doing a tentative rewrite of this article in my sandbox soon. The problem is, I realized we have only three citations. If anybody has time, could you help me search for reliable sources, especially those related to fan reception, controversy, etc.? Any help would be appreciated. Arwen Undomiel talk 16:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Revan as a female

Um... doesn't the part about 'feminist' fans seem a little opinionated? I'm a guy, and like many others, I like playing a hot chick in most games. Not that it really matters, I just found that a little odd.


"Despite the male gender being accepted and confirmed by Lucas himself and the creators, feminist fans nonetheless consider the matter controversial." Yeah, that's more than a little opinionated. Not every fan that prefers female Revan is a feminist. That's just ridiculous and should be scratched.

I'm just curious where the male Revan with a light side ending as canon came from. I see that someone claims that Lucas established it as so, but the official Star Wars Website doesn't establish any of the possible endings as canon. Revan doesn't even have his own page. He is just mentioned in Malak's, Carth's, etc. pages but his fate is unstated. Emperor001 18:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I think the more important point is that not every feminist considers the creation of a game with a male protagonist to be an attack on their gender. --DocumentN (talk) 19:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


"official Revan is confirmed by Leland Chee, George Lucas and other developers to be male."

Revans considered by George Lucas and the devlopers to be male, so hes probaly male, Ive only played revan as male, cause I prefer to play as my own gender, So i really couldnt think of him as a female now, cause I have it in my mind hes male, the whole section seems pointless really, just a opinion by feminists players and players who think of revan as a woman.No one's put up a controversy page on the Jedi Exile, some players may consider the Exile male, even though she's canoical female, It dosent seem to be a controvery, just opinions, take the whole gender controversy section down I say - As Above, So Below 20:01, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I seem to recall that for a long time the official stance was Revan was cannonically female, did this change or was there just bad information out there? (StarkeRealm (talk) 20:05, 7 June 2008 (UTC))

You might be thinking of the Jedi Exile. -- I need a name (talk) 20:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] In-universe

Anyone seriously interested in improving the article should consider adding some real world related info, e.g. regarding the concept, creation, and/or function of the character within the Star Wars narrative etc. Please consult our writing about fiction guideline, which also includes a list of exemplary articles.

There are currently three featured articles on Star Wars characters: Palpatine, Padmé Amidala, and Jabba the Hutt. What sets them aside from most of the other SW character articles is the effort to write from the real world perspective. Pay particular attention to paragraphs like Jabba the Hutt#Concept and creation, Palpatine#Concept and creation, and Padmé Amidala#Characterization.

Also take a look at Darth Vader, which despite its lack of reliable, published third-party secondary sources features interesting sections on e.g. #Character creation and concepts and Darth Vader as a #Cultural figure.

Even though reliable sources may be tough to come up with, any effort to introduce coherently written real world aspects will be greatly appreciated, because it contributes to the depth of the article and accurate coverage of the topic, and thereby makes for an improved reading experience and increases the encyclopedic value of the article.

—AldeBaer 15:49, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Game Class paragraph out of line

Most fans, being unaware or even unaccepting of simple mechanical issues in the game engine and time constraints a company faces, completely disregard the fact that using alternative portraits is based only on the character in your party (and his or her alignment); I doubt that they would sit down and make a convoluted script just to add the possibility of having all possible portraits for Revan in game.

How Revan is supposed to be a Guardian solely on such a matter... That is preposterous: not only are comics very well known for incosistencies with other sources, but even with the same source or line, and there's little reason to put so much emphasis on an already subjective matter introduced by Bioware (i.e. I don't think there is any direct relation between Guard. vs. Cons. and the colour of their lightsabres in the official canon, or even a mention of the former terms, really). —Preceding unsigned comment added by RaspK FOG (talk • contribs) 16:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] New Image

I have no idea how to upload an image on here, however, I can provide a couple links so that whoever cis able to can upload these images here.In my opinion the current pic is, to put it bluntly, crappy.

I'm not sure if the third one is good since it shows him with a red lightsaber, but it's your guy's choice.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 20:48, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Name

There is a name section in the article which ties the name "Revan" with "revanchism," from the French word revanche, meaning revenge. While Revan and Malak could be said to have applied the doctrine of revanchism against the Mandalorians, and Revan's revenge on Malak is a major plot point, the name Revan may come from other sources as well. For example, because Revan is canonically light-side, it may have been intended that the name Revan invoke the words riven, meaning "to split" (as Revan's actions split the jedi order) and also revenant, as Revan is "one who returns." Because of this, and the lack of any evidence regarding the intent of the game's writers, I propose that the section be removed. Staypuft9 (talk) 17:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I took it out -- and am pretty sure I took it out of the article some time a while ago. Or maybe I'm thinking of the ORish Darth Scion or some other KotOR figure. Anyhow. Thanks for the catch! --EEMIV (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Revan's first teacher

"Initially, Revan's instruction was undertaken by the Jedi Kreia on Coruscant" <-- I have a problem with this. Is there any indication that "Kreia" is actually a name she used as a Jedi, rather than just one she adopted later on to hide her identity as Darth Traya?

For that matter, wasn't it actually Arren Kae, Briana's mother?

--Markus Ramikin (talk) 08:40, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Kreia's real name is ambiguous, as anyone in game who calls her that has been introduced to her as such. There's speculation that she's actually Arren Kae, but concerning her name when she was a Jedi, nothing has yet been confirmed. As for the second question, Kreia claims to be Revan's first and last master (and as I have said, she may actually be Kae). However, as she lies throughout the game, this, like everything else she says should be taken with a grain of salt.68.60.111.239 (talk) 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)