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I speak in Japanese language from now because it's difficult to explain my opinion in English. まず、私は自分の好きなように自由に書き込みたいだけで、なぜそれらを制限されて、自分の書き込んだ文章が削除されなければいけないのか？という事に疑問を感じています。日本語版と比較するのもどうかとは思いますが、日本語版は破壊的行為（Vandalism）や法に触れるような事（著作権、プライバシー侵害）でない限りは例え一般的に知れ渡っていない取るに足らないような事であっても消される事はほとんどありません。英語版のOwaraiのプロジェクトに関して言えば、私は特に問題ある記述でないにも関わらず、問題点はないと思って書き込んだだけなのに、Mr. Freshgavinがそういう記述を彼自身が個人的に嫌うせいでFreshgavinはそれを削除してしまうのです。もしこれと同じ事を日本語版でやったとしても、おそらく削除されることはありません。（現に同内容のことが書かれている）Freshgavinさんは、特に問題はないと思われる記述を特に必要ないと勝手に判断して削除しています。例えば、これやこれやこれなんかは良い例だと言えるでしょう。いずれも共通して日本語版でこれらと同じ投稿をしてもおそらく削除される可能性はほとんどない投稿であるにも関わらず、彼は消してしまいます。freshgavinさんいわく、こんな事を英語版の記事に書き込んでも誰も知らないし、誰も読んでくれない（多分そういう見解だと思いますが…）と思っているようで、どれだけ一般的かというのが重要なんだと私は把握しています。それで消しているのでしょう。でも、外国人が知らないような事だからこそ、書き込まれた記述を読む事によって知ってくれる人が少しでも増えてくれると俺は思ってるし、このコメントの読者はそうは思わないんですか？それと、freshgavinさんは画像を少しでも大きくすれば勝手に縮小するところも見逃せません。私はこのぐらいの大きさの画像は特に問題ないと思ってやっているだけなのです。それなのにどうしてですか？これとこれとこれが勝手に画像を縮小している証拠です。そんなに画像大きくするのがいけない事なのかよ！特にヒロシの場合なんてちょっと画像を大きくしただけなのに、「気持ちわりい」（kimochi warii!）とまで言い切っています。記事が記述だらけになって大きくなることもおそらく嫌っているに違いありません。（これがそうです）なぜ長く書くのがそんなに悪いことなんですか？不思議です。短くても長くてもそんなのその人の自由ですし、やっぱりFreshgavinさんが独断で制限して「表現の自由」（Freedom of expression）を奪ってるようにしか私には思えません。私はただお笑いが好きで、ある程度のWikipediaのルールを守ってただ自分の好きな風に記事を作っているだけなのに、Freshgavinさんがたまたまお笑いのプロジェクトをやってて、そのプロジェクトにおいて彼が上記のような書き込みをしてはいけないと勝手に決め付けているがために、このようなトラブルが起こってしまったと言わざるを得ません。以上、Freshgavinさんが私の問題ある書き込みをしてるとどこかのページに書いてるようですが、Freshgavinさんも十分同じ事をやっているという事を知ってもらいたいと思って書かせていただきました。--Hatto 04:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Can somebody translate this? --Rory096 04:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
- Give me a minute. Forgive me if I summarize a bit but I won't leave out any details. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 06:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
Translation: [due to the nature of Japanese, I have included implied words in square brackets, rather than stating them inclusively] freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 07:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
First, I want to contribute freely, as I like, and why do you have to remove my contributions? That's what I want to know. Compare this to [what happens] at the Japanese wiki, where everything other than destructive actions (vandalism) and illegalities are permitted, including things that are not very well known.
In regards to the owarai project, whether the contributions I make have problems or not (whether I believe the contributions I make have any problems or not), freshgavin, in his hateful way [my personal hate for Hatto is implied] he just deletes everything. If this was the Japanese wiki, certainly nothing would be deleted. Actually, the contents would already be written in that way.
Freshgavin takes non-problematic text and thinking that there is no need for it, judges it as he wishes and deletes it. For example, this, this, and this. I'd say that those are good examples [of this problem].
Whether or not there is any chance that these pieces of information would be deleted on the Japanese wiki, freshgavin deletes them. Because these things are not well known, and not many people would realize if they were [changed, deleted, added?], I think freshgavin knowingly acts this way, and I tell you how important it is to me no matter how general the information is. Yet he deletes it.
Especially because it's something that foreigners [of Japan] don't know about, if it's written down more of them will be able to learn about it. Don't you think so too?
Also, if I increase the size of images, even a little bit, freshgavin never hesitates to boldy shrink them [back down]. I don't really think that images of that size are a problem. So I wonder why [it's a problem]? Here, here, and here is proof that he is boldy shrinking images. Since when is it not allowed to make images that big!! In the case of Hiroshi (Owarai), I made it just a little bigger, and even had the nerve to say "kimochi warii!" [gross]. I'm sure that he also hates how articles get large with overload of information. (Just like here).
Why is writing articles that long such a bad thing? It's so strange. Whether long or short, it's up the the person [who is writing it]. It seems I'm the only person who believes that freshgavin is using his own judgement to embezzle freedom of expression.
I just love owarai, and I go by the rules of Wikipedia to a certain degree while writing articles in my own way and freshgavin, with his owarai project, makes decisions like the ones I specified above and now we have this kind of trouble. That's about it... freshgavin seems to be writing about a lot of my problems, but I thought that I had to tell you about freshgavin's problems too, because he's doing pretty much the same thing. (Hatto)
[edit] Sorry, I talk my opinion not to let the others misunderstand again
Anybody is OK. Please translate my comment. 先日、「表現の自由」を奪われているから、それを保障すべきだというような趣旨のコメントを発表したが、「自由な編集」というのは別に記事を荒らしたりするような非常識な行為（例えば他者の悪口を記述したり）をすることではないということだけは、みなさんに分かって頂きたい。もし私がそういうことをしたら、誰かに記事をrevertされるし、それに対して私が非難を浴びても仕方の無いことのはずです。Freshgavinさんがこういう編集を差し戻すなら理解出来ますが、私は別に書きたいと思ったことを自分の好きなように書いただけであり、これを勝手に削除するというのはいかがなものかと思う次第です。私は彼と和解する気がないわけではありません。ただ、もう少し制限を緩和すべきだと考えているのでそれを彼がしてくれるならば、今すぐにでも和解しても構いません。このような私の気持ちがあることをご理解して頂くことを承知下さい！--Hatto 09:41, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
- I would prefer if you would at least try to comment in English. I know you can use English (you are editing articles in English after all) and it would only help your cause if you were to attempt to communicate directly in English. Regardless, here is the translation:
- Previously I spoke about the need to protect [our] right to freedom of expression, [and in that implying the freedom to edit articles] but I just want all of you to understand that I'm not implying that actions defying common sense (for example including bad language) should be allowed as well. If I were to do something like that, it would be reverted and even if I tried to cast the blame I'm sure I couldn't do anything about it.
- If freshgavin were to reject those edits I could understand why, but all I have done is write what I wanted [in my own way], and I am opposed to such selfish deletions. I am not against coming to a compromise with [freshgavin] either. I just think that these restrictions [on my edits] should be eased just a little bit and if he were to allow me that I would have no problem at all coming to terms with him. I hope you can understand and accept the way I feel about this. (Hatto) freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 03:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Language
Please do not use any language but english. Too much interpreation in the process, especialy when the one giving translation is involved in the RFC creation. I do not understand how one can feel it's ok contributing in anything but english here. Once again IMO it reveals a gross misunderstanding. Note: I am not a native english speaker. I write on the english WP, so I write in english. Is that so hard to understand ? Why am I explaining that ? This is basic. Gtabary 21:11, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I second that. How can somebody who can't even present his case in English think it's appropriate for him to behave the way he's doing. If his English isn't even good enough to familiarize himself with the Wikipedia rules, are we going to have to painstakingly translate each on of the guidelines into Japanese to satisfy his demands? Then there's the question of how much somebody with an English comprehension level that low can contribute to the English Wikipedia. Mackan 16:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Chinese Wikipedia
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Hatto Hatto seems to get in trouble to whatever Wikipedia he goes, always stubborn about having things his way (I want to write the way I want to) but not granting others the same privelege. I wouldn't be surprised if you find similar incidents on other Wikipedia's where he has been active.Mackan 17:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] 3RR
After being blocked temporarily after breaking the 3RR rule on Masashi Tashiro, Hatto now tries to revert that page anonomously from IP 211.15.48.50 [1]. Mackan 10:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
- Did he actually use that IP to edit while his other account was blocked? I already have enough evidence to prove that he has used 3 different anonymous IPs in the past, including that one (which I have already mentioned) and he will not be forgiven so easily if he attemted to avoid a banning by editing anonymously. freshofftheufoΓΛĿЌ 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
- No, he didn't actually edit it while being blocked (it was just an 8hr block).Mackan 12:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Removal of comments on Masashi Tashiro talk page
Hatto removed my comment from the Masashi Tashiro talk page, where I was providing reasons for several of the changes I had made. He provided no reason. [2] May I ask what the point of this "requests for comment" is? Is anything gonna happen ever? When is something going to be done about Hatto? Mackan 06:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
