Wikipedia talk:Requests for comment/Emir Arven

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[edit] The other user

In order to remain listed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment, at least two people need to show that they tried to resolve a dispute with this user and have failed. This must involve the same dispute with a single user, not different disputes or multiple users. The persons complaining must provide evidence of their efforts, and each of them must certify it by signing this page with ~~~~. If this does not happen within 48 hours of the creation of this dispute page (which was: ~~~~), the page will be deleted. The current date and time is: 23:51, 10 June 2008 (UTC).

I am one of the users, and PaxEquilibrium is the other. He most likely will not sign it until some hours after I do, as I live in Australia and he lives in Europe, and there is a big time difference between our locations. For the time being though, I will incorporate his evidence which he has written up here. —KingIvan 08:55, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Ivan Kricancic

No doubt Emir Arven (talk · contribs) will bring this up as "evidence" here, so I would like to clarify it here. First of all, on a technical note, it wasn't actually a sockpuppet account, but a meatpuppet account (i.e, an account owned by a freind or family member whose purpose is to support the puppeteer) as acknowledged by me here. Although that doesn't really change the fact that this was unacceptable behaviour on my part.

The account was created by my sister, Helen, on my behalf. Initially, it was created because I was in a dispute over images with Abu badali (talk · contribs). I felt that I was being stalked/harassed by him, so I got my sister to create this account to upload images; this way, I thought, he would not remove the images as he was only tracking my contributions. He ended up seeing them anyway, but Abu badali and I eventually reached an agreement over the images, and I promptly apologised for my personal attacks and incivility against him.

In regards to the fact that on rts freak's user page it said "I am an ethnic Bosniak", that was posted there as a result of a dispute going on at "History of the Bosniak people". Kruško Mortale was removing a POV tag against the concerns of myself and PaxEquilibrium, but he seemed to only revert us on the basis of ethnicity. The reasoning behind reverting him with the rts freak account was that if he saw that an ethnic Bosniak wanted the tag there, he would stop his prejudices and start discussing. But it ended up with Krusko not discussing and (rightly) starting the sock puppet investigation.

Anyway, I'm not trying to lessen the "crime", but I just thought I should explain myself, as undoubtedly Emir Arven will bring this up during the course of this RFC. I am not condoning my actions in any way, and I sincerely apologise for using a disruptive meatpuppet. —KingIvan 10:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emir Arven's false claims about me

On a related topic, I will say that the above was the only ever time that I used sock/meat puppetry. But Emir Arven keeps on making false accusations about me using sockpuppets. So here are a few points I must make.

  • The IP addresses he refers to, edit in a very different manner than I do, and often edit articles I've never been to.
  • I explained to him that the IP addresses could not have been me, as they are coming from Brisbane, whereas I live hundreds of kilometres away in Mackay.
  • Furthermore, even if they were me, there was actually nothing disruptive that those IPs did, and Wikipedia's policy on sockpuppets even says that using an alternate account or editing anonymously is ok in situations where using your main account would be "bad" because certain editors may have prejudices about your main account, so constructive discussion/editing would not be possible using the main account.
  • Emir Arven has had those ridiculous claims about me removed from his talk page twice by an admin [1] [2], but he returned them both times.
  • The same admin warned him not to provoke me by making claims like this [3], but Emir has not listened, and insists on making these outrageous claims against me everywhere he goes.
  • He brings it up all the time - even when it is in no way relevant to the current discussion, and he chooses not to answer the claims against him, btu instead provoke in this manner.
  • Also, he keeps saying he has found "evidence" that the IPs are me, but he has not shown any evidence at all for his claims. As far as I can tell, his claims are his evidence.
  • Emir Arven contacted AnonEMouse about these accusations (AnonEMouse was the closing admin of this). AnonEMouse concluded that those IPs were not me.

I want this behaviour from Emir Arven to stop, as it is greatly insulting and always provocative. —KingIvan 10:52, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment on Nishkid64's response

My claims are not "somewhat justified", they are entirely justified. If you actually look at what I wrote on the RFC page, you'll see that Emir's attacks against me are probably not even 20% of the total disputable/disruptive behaviour that I have shown of his. His disruptive behaviour has been ongoing way before I even encountered him. He has a long history of xenophobia, racism, incivility, personal attacks, and heavy edit warring that cannot be ignored. For you to even think for a second that my behaviour is equal to that of Emir Arven's is just absurd. Apart from this, many other users have noticed and felt the brunt his disruptive behaviour, so it is stupid to think that this is just a dispute between myself and Emir. —KingIvan 05:05, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Although I want to be neutral and stay out of the inter-conflict between Ivan (you can't say that you're totally innocent either) and Emir, I fully agree with this statement, as per my evidence presented. --PaxEquilibrium 22:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Silence

Why has this RfC reached a moot end? --PaxEquilibrium 14:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)