Wikipedia talk:Requests for bureaucratship/Jtkiefer
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Jtkiefer, I think you did not understand my answer. First I did not vote neutral for Kelly because of Time, Kelly is a veteran here who knows the policies better than most. My considerations were that she won't have the time to be an arbitrator, an ardministrator and a bureaucrat at the same time, and also that I have a problem giving all the powers to an arbitrator. The reason I brought Kelly, is because the issue of comparing users to vote was brought. The reason to vote against you is not only because you were not here long enough, but also other considerations. You were not here long enough as a member, you did not socialize really with members beyond reverting vandalism and stuff unrelated with the content of articles. You did not really engage in heated debates and participated in other projects than vandalism units etc. A bureaucrat is not only someone that has two more powers. What should you to do with a close RfA, when the critics against members should be examined by you, because you're at a point of considering neutral positions? I personaly vote oppose for a RfA, when a member did not participate in a heated discussion, or articles that are controversial, because only there could I know how really a member will behave in such circonstances. Fadix 18:36, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- Then you will unfortunately be voting oppose for a long long time since even though I don't avoid them and have no problem trying to help parties solve their issues if needed I normally don't throw myself headfirst into flame wars. Jtkiefer T | @ | C ----- 19:11, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
- No, I am not necessarly talking about flame wars, most articles I have viewed, and I have viewed many(in the hundreds), there was at least once, a heated debate(even those that are featured). If you pay attention to my RfA votes, those that I have supported have more than once engaged in such debates. When I want to judge someones judgement and ability to stay cool, I love reading those exchanges in talk pages. If you do not engage in such debates, you won't be able to aquire the experience I believe is important. Helping others is also crucial, but it is kind of difficult to help people that have more experience than you, because only by the fact that they are requiring help in such heated debates indicate that they have at least once engaged in such debates themselves and thosefor more experienced than you there. If I have a problem, it is not you who I will consult(don't take this as an offense), but administrators like dab who have a long experience and generally know how to deal with different situations and because I've seen them in action. This is how an administrator becomes respected and trusted and worthy to become one of those rare bureaucrats. Fadix 19:39, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
