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Terry-J-Ho is not providing counter-evidence, just going on about the usual Hindutva = Right Wing Hindu fundamentalism. He has provided no links to evidence, so should his little section be moved to the talk page? Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 21:52, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, evidence is what people think it is, and the arbitrators will read it and decide how much weight to give it. This page can be for discussion and rebuttal of evidence, or discussion of evidence in general. (Sometimes people prefer to add rebuttals to their evidence sections.) Thatcher131 21:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Communicating between parties...

Hkelkar you state that "Carefully look at my statement. I said "I am USING the blog" i.e. as part of my argument after Trident put it there and I read it.Did I say that I cited the blog?" On my talk page you said that you also qualified "that it is HE [Rao] who said it..." but you've never done that in the article. So where does that portion of your statement come into play? BhaiSaab talk 07:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

The qualification was part of my argument. not my edit. My angrezi, it is not very good, you see :) Hkelkar 07:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I think your angrezi ("English" for non-Indian/Paki parties) is quite alright. BhaiSaab talk 07:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
No no. It's terrible. I keep ending all my sentences with "only", my grammar is very bad, my sentence construction is poor. Really quite bad.Hkelkar 07:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)


You should refer to arguments with numbers rather than quoting the whole argument. That way your evidence section is not unnecessarily long. BhaiSaab talk 07:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Hkelkar, please keep your arguments in your section. Also, do not copy my sentences verbatim as you did here: [1] [2]. BhaiSaab talk 21:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Please only edit your own evidence section, although since apparently Hornplease doesn't mind having a conversation in his evidence section, I won't remove it. You can respond to someone's evidence in your own section or initiate a discussion here on the talk page. Thatcher131 21:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This arbitration...

...is proceeding like a farce. Here we have Shiva's Trident permanently banned already, and Hkelkar is going around pretending to have no first-hand knowledge of his activities. What a joke. Dmcdevit and aksi great should have just made their own decision about Hkelkar's account. BhaiSaab talk 03:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It may go bad, but is just getting started. Fred Bauder 04:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Hkelkar is doing nothing wrong, since him and Shiva's Trident are not the same person. Getting an army of editors with nice histories of POV pushing (and little else) won't convince anyone. Get a Nobleeagle, Ragib, or Rama's arrow to make a statement and somebody may actually listen to the fantasical statements of "sockpuppetry", "plagiarism", "tendentious editing" and the rest of the list of whimsy being created on this arbcom.Bakaman Bakatalk 04:26, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your description of my few years on WP as POV-pushing and little else. Extraordinary. Hornplease 17:59, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] For the sake of clarity ...

I would like to ask ArbCom admins to propose Hkelkar to stop his spurious responses inside the parties' paragraphs. Thatcher131 has already warned Hkelkar of not doing that but he is doing it again. In particular, I would appreciate Hkelkar's comments to be moved out of my paragraphs and put in his own section, where he will find all the room and liberty to answer calmly. This is an ArbCom case, and Hkelkar has the habit of doing that in every situation.

Please move his edits and place them in his own section, or in the talk page. The Evidence section should be made clear for a good ArbCom case.

I am now in the situation of not being able to add comments in my own section: I have evidences to add, and the weird insertions of Hkelkar's responses make my job difficult.

I will not move the edits by myself. I prefer an ArbCom admin to do it.

Thank you.

TwoHorned 09:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Personal attack by TwoHorned

[edit] TwoHorned (talk · contribs)

The user has been warned for personal attacks on his talk page (he has altered these warnings which hides this, but is still clearly seen).

TwoHorned has attacked User:CltFn on this page: [3]

  • He says:
    • Since this user has made contributions only on extremely controversal topics (see his contributions [226] which are almost 100% oriented into nasty islamophobic entries), I'm wondering what kind of farce is intented to mean his barnstar for contribution to islamic articles in Wikipedia.[4] --02:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removed from my evidence

As repeatedly stated below, you are an energetic editor. Indeed, the number of edits you have made, as well as the number of creations, should concern people convinced about your tendentiousness by evidence from elsewhere as to the degree of slant that has been allowed to creep onto WP. Also, as stated many times on this and previous arbitrations, constructive activity in a particular sphere can still mean that the editor as a whole is disruptive. Thank you.Hornplease 12:13, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I apologise for putting that statement in your evidence; I forgot which page of the RfArb I was on. Hornplease 08:54, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regarding Nobleeagle, Blnguyen, Hkelkar, Srikiet


Nobleeagle's misdeeds against me are amazing. I have learnt that he used to leave my signature before abusing some newcommers (anon. IPs), plz check his contributions. Blnguyen should explain his role on Kancha Ilaiah (wd be better if he breaks his silence). What Hkelkar, Bakasuprman has presented as evidence against me , plz check the diffs doesn't match what he claims. Srikiet sd also explain how come he blnguyen, Hkelkar managed the show on Disproving that Hkelkar is sock of subhash on IRC chat. Srikiet and Blnguyen though were aware of the truth remained silent when Hkelkar misused the censored version to proove He was not Sock, though full version suggests otherwise . When Bhaisaab produced full version he was threatened Block!!!!!!  Ikon |no-blast 13:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Honestly I don't think any of the admins were aware and intentionally lied. Blnguyen didn't think they were the same person because of behavior patters (which I, on the other hand, thought were very similar) but later agreed that they were the same person (although he has not posted this on Wikipedia). I think Dmcdevit was aware all this time but chose not to take action until he had something to further prove his checkuser result. But I and Terry were aware of the sockpuppetry, and it seems that we're now getting in trouble for assuming bad faith of someone we knew was a sockpuppet while the admins took no action for two or three months. If the arbitrators choose to approve the decision that Hkelkar is the same person as Subhash bose, then their decision also implies that Hkelkar has lied to them countless times in this very arbitration. Also, I don't think Nobleeagle is an admin. BhaiSaab talk 17:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Ikonoblast still thinks I'm Hkelkar, I find that funny.Bakaman 06:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Hey, Ikonoblast, I didn't fake your signature, if you want, check the diffs, you wrote those things, not me! I don't even have strong views on Khatris, I just monitored the page because users were vandalizing. So stop your defamatory remarks. And yes, I'm not an admin. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 06:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
There you are. Now did I hack into your account or something? Stop coming up with lame excuses for wrongdoings. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 06:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Not this comment Mr eagle, do you remember it read like this ---- To correspond with me get ur Id communicate well , my true identity will make you piss off, so don't ask that. I admit having made it on Jay's page who was harassing me with insulting remarks you copied it and pasted it on many pages with my signature.Do you no how I discovered it??? I checked what links here on my user page and found my signature on pages where I never visited phps in jun-jul. I know u had erased them after sometime.Well , for some strange reason it is not showing either in my contrib. nor urs, but it can be investigated.Remember, I don't lie abt anything I always admit my faults if committed.  Ikon |no-blast 12:56, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Neither Blnguyen (AFAIK) nor I have ever stated that Hkelkar wasn't Subhash Bose's sockpuppet. When we investigated the matter on IRC both appeared to have different hostmasks so we AGF'ed and warned them not to edit disruptively. Aksi_great later provided definitive evidence (on email) which has convinced me that both the accounts are operated by the same person. As for the other matter regarding Nobleeagle, I don't know much about what you're saying but would like to give a piece of advise : A diff is worth much more than a page full of rants. So unless you have any conclusive evidence, I suggest that you refrain from making baseless accusations. --Srikeit 13:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Blnguyen stated several times that he did not believe they were same person during my semi-weekly complaints of what I saw to be obvious sockpuppetry on his talk page. BhaiSaab talk 00:36, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I wsd like to hear from nobleeagle -- I think he sd admit if he has done so , otherwise I withdraw my allegations. i leave it to his coscience. As far as I know no body can erase his contribution history, but I am sure having seen them.Though I don't know much abt computer applications I wd like to hear from someone if it is possible on wikipedia using some tool I am not aware of.If Nobleeagle has not done so he sd say it emphatically.I am putting this even though it may sound funny to many but I want clarification  Ikon |no-blast 13:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Aaah...I know what happened now. You accidentally edited my welcome template when you were editing Jay3's talkpage. Because I didn't know about the {{subst}} ability then, that meant that everyone I had welcomed suddenly received your message as well. That sorts out the confusion, these days I use the subst function. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 05:36, 10 December 2006 (UTC) Here are the diffs for my above comment. That sorts out the confusion. I dealt with it some time ago. Nobleeagle [TALK] [C] 05:38, 10 December 2006 (UTC)