Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/Free Republic/Evidence
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[edit] Responses to "Statement by an uninvolved observer"
- Yet another anonymous IP proxy in support of the Hinnen Family's hosiery drawer. So you drove to Milwaukee to write this? Big deal. Now we know what you did on your "Wikibreak". IP Cafes are still anonymous proxies. --BenBurch 16:06, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
- Uninvolved observer? Yes, sure. And pigs fly too... ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:44, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Is this comedy night? Free Republic has never won any libel suit that I'm aware of - What are you referring to Herr Socke? - FaAfA 05:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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- My guess is that he's referring to the City of Fresno case, which got a lot less publicity than the LA Times case, but resulted in six times as much money changing hands. You have repeatedly described that as a crushing victory for the LA Times, sir. Dino 21:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
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Clerk Note: This type of colloquy, wherever it might be located, is not going to help the arbitrators decide the case, which is the reason we have these pages. Everyone is strongly urged to desist. In fact, there is no need to be editing the evidence page any more unless there is new evidence to be presented. Newyorkbrad 15:46, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reminder.... We got a bit carried away. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 15:56, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] APJ evidence
Should Dino be editing evidence at all? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Free_Republic/Evidence&curid=9487559&diff=112134533&oldid=112128242 --BenBurch 19:40, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Should anyone be posting personal information about another Wikipedia member at all? Dino 20:31, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- We don't know who user:Apj-us-nyc really is, and if that e-mails is authentic. And even if it were, it has nothing to do with wikipedia and this arb request. The diff that you just provided only removed someone's IRL name, which I think is reasonable. --rogerd 20:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
- Rogerd asserted that "[w]e don't know who user:Apj-us-nyc really is". Okay, Rog, let me buy you a vowel. Go to APJ's public reply to Br... er, Dean. Click through the links. If, however, you are pressed for time, just look for the paragraph beginning with "Mind You" on the second page, Click on the link at the words "get involved in a dust-up on a third-party Web site" (which goes here, if you feel that actually reading an article on APJ might adversely affect your blood pressure).
- Does that adequately settle the issue of whether or not "that e-mails [sic] is authentic"? -- Apj-us-nyc 00:45, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, not really. I am not saying that it is a fabrication, nor am I saying it is. I don't know, and neither does anyone else but you. It really doesn't matter. My central point, that you failed to address, is that it is off-wiki disputes are not germane to this arb request. I guess I won't be able to keep this irrelevant material from being presented, but I hope that the arbitrators will give it due weight (none). And no, I don't know if you really represent the entity you claim to, anymore that I would know that if someone created a user id called "USMC", they really represent the Marine Corps. And please try to be civil, as I have tried to be civil with you. Thank you. --rogerd 01:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- Rogerd asserted that "It really doesn't matter." Well, to me, it kinda does. See the postscript to the APJ piece, just posted. Also, Rog feels that "it is off-wiki disputes [that] are not germane to this arb request." Actually, they are germane. Br... er, Dino made outright false assertions about APJ and others in the process of this arbitration on matters that are crucial to the arbitration, claims that are easily disproved. Br...er, Dino has so far failed to apologize and retract his falsehoods. As for my civility, well, let's just say that I've rarely been compared to Dale Carnegie -- but (slightly off-topic) anyone who like blues (as is indicated on your page) can't be all bad. If you're into Jemima James or Kent Cooper, let me know! -- Apj-us-nyc 02:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- No, not really. I am not saying that it is a fabrication, nor am I saying it is. I don't know, and neither does anyone else but you. It really doesn't matter. My central point, that you failed to address, is that it is off-wiki disputes are not germane to this arb request. I guess I won't be able to keep this irrelevant material from being presented, but I hope that the arbitrators will give it due weight (none). And no, I don't know if you really represent the entity you claim to, anymore that I would know that if someone created a user id called "USMC", they really represent the Marine Corps. And please try to be civil, as I have tried to be civil with you. Thank you. --rogerd 01:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- We don't know who user:Apj-us-nyc really is, and if that e-mails is authentic. And even if it were, it has nothing to do with wikipedia and this arb request. The diff that you just provided only removed someone's IRL name, which I think is reasonable. --rogerd 20:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
There's a lengthy ARTICLE about Dino the 'Legal Eagle' on AmericanPoliticsJournal, ( www.apj.us ) and boy-oh-boy does that wordsmith wield a sharp pen! "Cro-Magnon Mail! Wikipedia Sockpuppet Theatre" "A "crack" legal genius claiming to represent Free Republic sends us a threatening e-mail. We respond. You get to laugh!" OUCH! So many well-meaning Admins and just plain folks advised Dino to curtail the legal threats, intimidation and posturing, so what does he do? Threatens an online publication known for its irascibility when push comes to shove!! Not so smart! Methinks he should have kept his threats within the safe confines of Wikipedia where policies like AGF, NPA and CIVIL etc help protect our tender hides. His must be smarting! On the plus side, DeanHinnen might be notable enough to rate his own article on Wiki now! - FaAfA (yap) 00:38, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- reposting to talk what RogerD deleted from main page
UPDATE, 17:41EST: Our editor has posted a more detailed (and admittedly far more snarky) response to "Dean" Hinnen. The response was prompted by a "legal[ly]" threatening (read: getting gummed by a newt) e-mail from "Dean" [redacted]. Suffice it to say that "Dean" has provided APJ with a prime opportunity to expose his dissembling, sockpuppetry... and actions that are in fact against the best interest of Free Republic. Apj-us-nyc 18:42, 2 March 2007 (UTC) reposted by FaAfA (yap)
- Clarification: the original post was not added by User:Apj-us-nyc, but by an anonymous editor user:69.203.110.35 --rogerd 01:19, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] User:DeanHinnen removed this comment from the project page with a really puzzling edit summary
"Dino" is clearly "Bryan." I recognize his MO from dealing with him for years. He has wonderous accomplishments that never get corroberated with facts like dates. Terrible things happen to him that never seem to be reported to the authorities. Coincidences happen, like having a brother-in-law who has the same name and same non-specific 'lawyerish' occupation, address and vague association with the "crack legal department" of Free Republic! [see also Arthur "Wildfire!" March, Munchausen Syndrome] Eschoir 04:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
--BenBurch 05:12, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
- I believe that Eschoir is the individual who FR sued for 'trolling' and with Bryan's help, the Legal Eagles ran up $100,000+ in legal fees - much due to suing him in the wrong state. Let me look for that article. - FaAfA (yap) 05:54, 3 March 2007 (UTC) Why yes - I was correct. LINK I did a little more searching, and I was incorrect about something. it seems that Eschoir is/was not of conservative persuasian as I believe I have written. So many of the 'AntiFreepers' were, that I assumed he was as well. My bad. I do apologize. - FaAfA (yap) 06:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
If this is the same person, he admitted using over 80 sockpuppets at Free Republic after being banned for being an incorrigible troll, and he brought new depth and dimension to that term. Now he's joined your little street gang. How appropriate. BFP wasn't involved in the lawsuit against Eschoir (another example of the half-truths, distortions and lies that are now pouring out from your side like a river of sewage), but he was involved in tracking down and and confirming the socks. Hope that provides some context to Eschoir's current participation. Dino 12:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hinnen recruiting editors / puppets on Free Republic
(I just posted the following to ANI)
- Party to Free Republic RFAr recruiting accounts / meatpuppets on Free Republic ==
I am currently in an RFAr on Free Republic, as is user DeanHinnen. Several people have documented and concluded that user DeanHinnen and his banned sockpuppet 'brother' BryanFromPalatine are one in the same. This article where his puppetry and legal threats made headlines, Wikipedia Sockpuppet Theatre, for instance. Dean/Bryan posted on on Free Republic earlier today soliciting new accounts and puppets. - "Does anyone here need a better reason to open an account at Wikipedia?" I request protection for the article, and action on Hinnen's puppet solicitation. [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1795382/posts Dean/Bryan's FR post] - FaAfA (yap) 02:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
