Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Melsaran
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earliest 09:47, 28 January 2007
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[edit] User:Walton One support discussion
The following discussion appeared following User:Walton One's support statement, which can be seen in its original formatting at this diff.
- Support - I disagree with the opposers. Although admins should have a substantial number of mainspace contributions, extensive article-writing is not a pre-requisite for adminship. Adminship is mainly about maintenance, and those with extensive experience in maintenance tasks (as this candidate has) are ideally qualified for adminship. Incidentally, he also has 2000 more mainspace edits than I did when I passed RfA. WaltonOne 13:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- The whole thing about adminship being about maintenance is such a lie, and I'm sick of it being repeated all over the place. Admins have the power to close AfDs and in the process discount opinions they feel carry less weight and are invalid; they have access to deleted pages which contain sensitive information; they are able to decline block requests.. etc etc. This is not the role of a 'janitor' or similar, it is more akin to the role of a judge or a police officer. And that requires evidence of thought and judgement.. which a few thousand gnomey edits do not show. Kamryn · Talk 13:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- So says the non admin... I've been an admin for nearly 10 months, and it is a janitor not a judge as Kamryn falsely indicates. Let me repeat something I've said many times: article writing has nothing to do with being an admin. I've never, ever had to use admin tools to write an article, and I never will. It's sad that non admins like Kamryn have such a warped view of adminship, and they feel it's necessary to impose this view on others, without having experienced being one first. Majorly (talk) 14:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- I'm merely expressing the position of amdinship that has been explained to me, by admins, in places like this. If you seriously consider closing things like, for example, the Daniel Brandt AfD to be 'janitor work' that doesn't require any kind of thought or judgement then you are probably a very awful admin. Kamryn · Talk 14:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- But I get what you're saying. Only admins should be able to pick other admins. Perfect. Kamryn · Talk 14:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. I don't see anywhere where the candidate has indicated they'll close Deletion reviews. Or even AfDs. The things that have been mentioned don't require judgement - they require common sense and a pair of eyes to read our policies and guidelines, and a brain to remember them with.
- I'm sorry? I wasn't aware that we were granting limited adminship here. Didn't you hear the news? Being an admin gives you access to all areas of adminship. I didn't see anywhere where the candidate said he wouldn't close AfDs either. Kamryn · Talk 14:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Admins tend to stick to certain areas (of course, you wouldn't know that, and none of those areas are article writing). If the candidate hasn't said they'll do something, they probably won't. And even if they did, they'd start on the more easier closes. The example you picked is one most admins wouldn't have dreamed of going near.
- I'm sorry? I wasn't aware that we were granting limited adminship here. Didn't you hear the news? Being an admin gives you access to all areas of adminship. I didn't see anywhere where the candidate said he wouldn't close AfDs either. Kamryn · Talk 14:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Don't put words in my mouth. I said that you can only know what being an admin is like if you are one or if you have been one before. To say the things you have said makes it very clear to me that you have no idea what it is like being one. Majorly (talk) 14:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Oh come on. You clearly implied that my view as a non-admin is clearly irrelevant, as I don't know what it's like. Kamryn · Talk 14:24, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- My comments weren't intended to spark this argument again (which, incidentally, has been discussed many times on WT:RFA). To clarify, I do have some sympathy with Kamryn's viewpoint that admins need to have a sufficient level of good judgment to be able to close AfDs and DRVs tactfully. However, I tend to agree with Majorly that article-writing is not the only way to demonstrate good judgment. A strong candidate whose mainspace contribs tend towards wiki-gnomishness should not be penalised, especially if they have extensive contributions to XfDs and other community discussions. WaltonOne 14:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Interesting. I don't see anywhere where the candidate has indicated they'll close Deletion reviews. Or even AfDs. The things that have been mentioned don't require judgement - they require common sense and a pair of eyes to read our policies and guidelines, and a brain to remember them with.
- So says the non admin... I've been an admin for nearly 10 months, and it is a janitor not a judge as Kamryn falsely indicates. Let me repeat something I've said many times: article writing has nothing to do with being an admin. I've never, ever had to use admin tools to write an article, and I never will. It's sad that non admins like Kamryn have such a warped view of adminship, and they feel it's necessary to impose this view on others, without having experienced being one first. Majorly (talk) 14:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- The whole thing about adminship being about maintenance is such a lie, and I'm sick of it being repeated all over the place. Admins have the power to close AfDs and in the process discount opinions they feel carry less weight and are invalid; they have access to deleted pages which contain sensitive information; they are able to decline block requests.. etc etc. This is not the role of a 'janitor' or similar, it is more akin to the role of a judge or a police officer. And that requires evidence of thought and judgement.. which a few thousand gnomey edits do not show. Kamryn · Talk 13:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
The preceding discussion appeared following User:Walton One's support statement, which can be seen in its original formatting at this diff.
