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[edit] Contras
[edit] Involved parties
- Student7 (talk · contribs), filing party
- Groggy Dice (talk · contribs)
- Annoynmous (talk · contribs), red linked but has user page
- MarkB2 (talk · contribs)
[edit] Articles involved
- Talk:Contras - attempted discussion on article page
- Template:RFChist list - requested third party comment June 2, no answer, but I don't see what a third party can achieve at this point
- User_talk:Groggy_Dice#Contras - attempted discussion on one editors web page
- User_talk:Annoynmous#Contras - attempted discussion on another editors web page
- Requested intervention by admin - they responded by locking the page June 3 which was good, but no progress
[edit] Issues to be mediated
- The party filing this request uses this section to list the issues for mediation. Other parties can list additional issues in the section below.
- WP:POV - most editors seem to believe article is biased. This is a general comment. Editors believe that others are slanting their remarks. Disgreement seem to focus around the following two general questions:
- Should the results of the 1985 election be listed? In what way? (Were they completely fair with all sides being given a fair crack at the electorate?)
- Who was enrolled as members of the Contras?:
- Should the Milpistas be listed as a separate section?
- Were many members of the old Guard were involved in forming early groups like the 15th of September Legion"?
- were they Former somozans
- were they mercenaries from argentina or other central american country?
- were they peasants?
- Are all anti-Sandinista National Liberation Front (i.e. Sandanista) groups called "Contras" (automatically)?
- Are there (rogue) military groups that opposed the Sandanistas that should not be called "Contras"?
- Was Jaime Irving Steidel the FDN's field commander?
- Should there be an "atrocities/human rights" section? What should go in it?
- Is the Iran-Contra affair germane to this article? Should it be summarized here?
- How can the Sandanistas be characterized?
- Can they be called "Soviet aligned"?
- WP:Foot - footnotes are infrequently used on disputed material
- WP:RELY - when footnotes are given, editors dispute scholarliness of source. This is a very key point. There are two sources that were debated:
- Robert A Kagan, A Twilight Struggle and
- Timothy C. Brown, The Real Contra War. No current editor seems to have a copy of Brown, but this calls into question all the previous footnotes which can't now be checked by anyone and over which othere editors may have inserted their own opinion. Two editors believe both Brown and Kagan to be "too right wing" and therefore (QED) untrustworthy.
- Is Arturo Cruz a reliable source?
- Is Gary Webb a reliable source?
- WP:FAITH - Three editors are not assuming that other editors are doing their best. This and attacking others are preventing any productive discussion.
- WP:ATTACK - Three editors are attacking and responding to each other on the article discussion page. Discussions are not productive.
[edit] Additional issues to be mediated
- Other parties can use this section to list any others issues they wish to include in the mediation. Please do not modify or remove any other party's listing. Please sign all additions to this section if there are more than two parties involved in this case.
- Additional issue 1
- Additional issue 2
[edit] Parties' agreement to mediate
- All parties should sign below, indicating that they agree to mediate the issue. If any party fails to sign, or if a party indicates they do not agree, then the mediation will be rejected. Only "Agree" or "Disagree" and signatures should appear here; any comments will be removed, but can be made at the talk page.
- Agree. Student7 (talk) 02:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Decision of the Mediation Committee
- A member of the Mediation Committee will indicate acceptance/rejection/other relevant notes in this section. Non-Committee members should not edit this section.
