Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Archive 3

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Contents 1 User:Wik and User:RickK 2 User:David Newton and User:Bird 3 Lir is an unhappy woman 3.1 Lir is to be referred to as woman if it is her choice 4 GrazingshipIV and Kingturtle 5 Charles Finney

[edit] User:Wik and User:RickK

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Wik is an utter disruptive influence on Wikipedia. He engages in edit wars and reversion wars without break, until pages are protected because of his refusal to give an inch. He never indicates on a comment line why he is reverting, and he is unwilling to make an attempt to discuss problems in a calm and reasonable manner.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Wik&oldid=2414979, in which he admits that he will repeatedly revert any and all changes made by User:Anthony DiPierro, regardless of their worth. He blanked One thousand seven hundred twenty-nine solely because Anthony had created it, even though others had made changes to the page since Anthony had created it. I blocked him, Secretlondon unblocked him, and he immediately went back to revert war mode. Please help. RickK 01:39, 18 Feb 2004 (UTC)

From Wik's talk page:

Jimbo has already made clear that the vigilantism must stop. And otherwise, my issues with Anthony are not Rick's business; besides, I have already asked for arbitration on those. Rick is clearly out to have me banned, and I don't see how any mediation could change his mind on this, so I'm not interested. --Wik 17:36, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC)

Do either of you have any preferences as to who the mediator is? (see Wikipedia:Mediation Committee)Tuf-Kat 08:46, Feb 20, 2004 (UTC)

Anyone but Martin or Anthere. RickK 21:52, 21 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Is this process going to begin any time soon? RickK 05:47, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

The arbitration decision is at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Wik

[edit] User:David Newton and User:Bird

Sadly I appear to have got myself involved in a rather intense dispute with Bird. Bird was blanking articles earlier today, and I stepped in to try and stop it. For a summary of my side of the story, plus a copy of Bird's talk page (which has been blanked by Bird several times this evening) please see User:David Newton/Bird Dispute.

It appears to me that Bird is acting far from rationally to say the least. I would appreciate help in resolving this matter. David Newton 22:08, 8 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I've been following this a little and I think "traditional" mediation is unlikely to help here (if we can have traditions after so few weeks). I think we need to look at other options to resolve the situation. I'm going to put some comments and thoughts at User talk:David Newton/Bird Dispute and would be grateful if any other interested parties would join me there. If any other mediators think it worth trying to engage Bird in mediation then go for it! -- sannse (talk) 12:15, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

On refection I realised this response was not the best approach. I am currently discussing the issues with Bird. This is an atypical mediation at this point as a second party is not currently involved -- sannse (talk) 21:47, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)

My discussion with Bird has ended. We did not come to any agreements. -- sannse (talk) 11:13, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lir is an unhappy woman

"Guys, I am unhappy with my life on Wikipedia. I would like to talk to someone about it. I know there is someone great I really trust, and feel like he is being willing to help me, and that is really great. I would really like that he helps me, I am convinced he will be the most appropriate person to do so and I look forward to our interaction. Please Brian, give me a hand and a bit of your precious time." Lirath Q. Pynnor

• would be happy to be helped by Brian.

Hello Lir -- I'm sorry about the delay in responding -- I've been away from my computer most of the weekend. I'd be happy to do what I can to help, and I think we should start with a conversation as soon as we both can "get together" -- I'll crosspost this to your talk page. Thanks, BCorr¤Брайен 21:08, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)

Note to other interested people:

With due respect to anyone who may have questions or comments, I want to ask that for the time being -- since Lir has asked me for my help and I have agreed to give it -- that people give the two of us the space to figure it out, and trust that we can find ways of moving this forward. Thanks, BCorr¤Брайен 21:39, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Lir is to be referred to as woman if it is her choice

Note to anyone who would ask me yet another time why I refer to Lir as woman (about 15 times already...)

Some time ago, I asked Lir how she wanted me to refer to her. She answered she would prefer to be referred to as a woman. I have no idea whether she is genetically a male or a female, and if she is a male, she could be one of those feeling female, or even perhaps a transgendered person. Either way, I do not care. As long as she will prefer to be referred to as a woman, she will be a she as far as I am concerned. When she wants to be referred to as a man, she just has to tell me. I think it is showing the same time of respect than to call someone by the pseudonyme she choose. And I would appreciate that people stop saying I could offend her by using the wrong gender. Thanks. Now, I will have a place to send the 26th who will ask :-) FirmLittleFluffyThing 22:26, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Please see these emails:

• http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-September/006675.html
• http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2003-September/006717.html

Thanks, BCorr¤Брайен 23:04, Mar 21, 2004 (UTC)

Ended unsuccessfully on Mar 31, 2004.

[edit] GrazingshipIV and Kingturtle

I request mediation between us. Kingturtle has outright refused to resolve the conflict privately so I request mediation. I would prefer to do this in IRC chat as my computer has problems engaging in page edits. I sincerely hope this can resolve our dispute. GrazingshipIV 04:13, Mar 25, 2004 (UTC)

• I am happy to utilize mediation to address our conflict. IRC is not convenient for me. My schedule varies. I cannot predict when I am online. I cannot predict when I am at a workstation that has IRC software or access. I suggest either using email or using a dedicated metapage in wikipedia. I have no qualms about this being a dialog made in public. I respect all the mediators. I have no preference for whom should mediate. Kingturtle 23:07, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
  • I see on another page that Plato has offered to mediate. It should be noted that Plato is not a member of the mediation committee. That doesn't mean sie can't act as a private mediator though. Do you still want the mediation committee to help? This would have to be instead of Plato's mediation - I think it would be to complicated otherwise. Perhaps you could try to resolve things with Plato's as mediator and then come back here if that doesn't help? -- sannse (talk) 10:15, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have agreed to work with GrazingshipIV and Kingturtle to mediate. I've proposed that I create a topic (thread) on the mediation message board, and assuming both of you are amenable, I will get things going this evening. Thanks, BCorr|Брайен 13:07, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC)

Ended successfully on Mar 31, 2004.

[edit] Charles Finney

A dispute has arisen between Neilinoz and 140.247.163.28 about the content of Charles Grandison Finney (see talk section and page history to view issues involved).

Unfortunately this is a dispute over Christian Theology. I have contributed to the article information that shows a difference of opinion amongst Evangelical Christians about Finney's theology on 10 Feb 04. 140.247.163.28 deleted my contribution on 1 Mar 04, but this was restored by RickK and Bcorr within 5 minutes. On 6 Mar 04 140.247.163.28 re-deleted my contribution and begun to offer reasons why. On 17 Mar 04 I re-pasted my original Feb article, but this was then re-deleted by 140.247.163.28 on 25 Mar 04. I will not change the current article until the dispute has been settled.

I believe that 140.247.163.28 has deliberately deleted factual information that is necessary for the article to be NPOV. In the process he has accused me of all sorts of things and questioned both my integrity and knowledge. I have not responded in kind.

140.247.163.28 and I take different viewpoints. I am happy for the opposing viewpoint to be explained and defended within the article. 140.247.163.28, however, does not, and has deleted my contribution a number of times. It is my hope that this dispute can be settled and that both our points of view can exist within the article.

Neilinoz 10:11, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I have replied at Talk:Charles Grandison Finney -- sannse (talk) 10:52, 26 Mar 2004 (UTC)

remains open - one participant has not yet returned to Wikipedia