Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Wiki brah

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

This is a summary written by users who dispute this user's conduct. Users signing other sections ("Response" or "Outside views") should not edit the "Statement of the dispute" section.

This Request for Comment specifically deals with two separate issues. Issue #1: The anal sex and cocaine obsessed User:Wiki_brah has repeatedly ignored warnings from various administrators and editors to cease making nonsense articles. While promising he will improve his contributions, his new articles remain pointless, nonsense, and smack of eccentric "original research." The great majority of his articles have been speedily deleted or deleted after a "Vote for Deletion."

Issue #2: User:Wiki_brah has likewise ignored warnings from various administrators and editors to cease making and proposing nonsense templates. Many of his templates have been speedily deleted, including one that he created describing porno "actress's" proficiency at anal sex.

This Request for Comment shall not delve into the other aspects of User:Wiki_brah's disruptive behavior such as his annoying and whiny comments posted on many users' talk pages. TheDeletator (talk · contribs)

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

(Provide diffs. Links to entire articles aren't helpful unless the editor created the entire article. Edit histories also aren't helpful as they change as new edits are performed.)

  1. The users first edit of the Lisa Kushell article
  2. Bizzare POV rant at Anal Sex in Brasil
  3. More of the same at Cocaine use in Brasil
  4. Another knowing addition of nonsense at Bisexuality in Brazil
  5. Claiming on his user page that he speaks ten languages, User:Wiki_brah
  6. Speedily deleted nonsense at List of Reasons why Doing Cocaine in Brasil is Fun (now at BJAODN)
  7. Unnecessary and offensive Adolf Hitler (South Park)
  8. Speedily deleted Fetishes in Brazil, where he linked anal sex with male domination and bemoaned the lack of female dominatrixes in Brazil.
  9. How could we forgot this gem:
Anal Sex
3		 This pornographic actress demonstrates

(culled from his sandbox)

  1. Another Silly template at Template:Hot_Jewish_Actress-stub
  2. This Bizzare request at Stub Proposals [1]

[edit] Applicable policies

{list the policies that apply to the disputed conduct}

  1. What Wikipedia is Not
  2. Original Research
  3. WP:NPOV
  4. Disrupting Wikipedia
  5. Verifiability

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

(provide diffs and links) User_talk:Wiki_brah provides much evidence of other users warning him on his behavior and pleading with him to conform and follow the basic guidelines, but some of them are listed here:

  1. My unanswered request to him at: [2]
  2. User:Lucky_6.9 warns him countless times including at:[3]

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

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  1. TheDeletator 03:59, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
  2. Lucky 6.9 05:36, 30 August 2005 (UTC)
  3. Soltak | Talk 00:07, 31 August 2005 (UTC) (I was going to file this myself but hadn't yet gotten round to it, my thanks to TheDeletator.)

[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

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  1. jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 22:46, 30 August 2005 (UTC) (sigh, and I think he has real potential)
  2. Calton | Talk 00:11, August 31, 2005 (UTC). I'm skeptical of the potential, myself.
  3. Lectonar 11:38, 1 September 2005 (UTC); although, if his babel is genuine, he could be a great help....
  4. Grutness 15:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC); the user has a somewhat bizarre approach to the use of templates, to say the least.
  5. Andrewa 19:49, 1 September 2005 (UTC); This user shows a good deal of intelligence, and some evidence of substance abuse and/or mental illness, possibly faked; There's no evidence of good faith, and IMO little prospect that they will ever be other than a waste of time, sadly.
  6. android79 03:11, September 2, 2005 (UTC) I don't really care why he's creating all these nonsense articles. It just needs to stop.
  7. Ashley Pomeroy 19:00, 3 September 2005 (UTC) Total fake. Block forever. There are thousands of good people in the world who can only dream of using Wikipedia; there's no reason to humour people who waste our time and money.
  8. Gator1 00:13, September 4, 2005 (UTC)Wow I can't believe you have put up with him this long, Lucky. You are a better man/woman than I. I vote BAN and I have no reservations or guilt about it whatsoever.
    • Thanks and LOL. The face that stares back at me in the mirror is a "he," barring any unfortunate situation wherein a woman has a moustache and other male...accoutrements. Sorry. Couldn't resist. - Lucky 6.9 06:18, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
  9. Troll. Andre (talk) 04:14, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
  10. BlankVerse ∅ 15:48, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
  11. Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 01:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC) Has provided nothing but horrid nonsense.
  12. Merovingian (t) (c) 12:06, September 6, 2005 (UTC)
  13. Fernando Rizo T/C 22:33, 6 September 2005 (UTC). User's conduct in this RfC has dispelled any notions I may have had regarding his youth/immaturity and potential for recoverability. He has done nothing but create work for other editors.
  14. -- Soir (say hi) 04:02, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
  15. EDM 06:22, 11 September 2005 (UTC) Get this freak off Wikipedia posthaste and give Lucky the Eternal Alchemist's Award or something for having tried to transmute this base metal.
  16. JobE6 Image:Peru flag large.png 02:59, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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I donnt understand what you are yellng at me about I mean tlook at tmy usser page I mean I am just trying to help out with things I can write about dont you think its my business how I live my live and even if I do some stuff that we dont approve of in the U.S.A,. its still ok I mean its so hard sometimes so we can either do something the easy way or the hard way. ( I asaww that in a movie once) thank you Obrigado, Wiki brah 02:13, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

    • Comment: Look at the above comment closely. It says: even if I do some stuff that we dont approve of in the U.S.A,. its still ok. Unless that's a typo, that strongly suggests that Wiki brah is not from Brazil as suggested, especially given his propensity toward writing US-centric articles. Case in point is his latest idiosyncratic edit, Dinner and a Movie, a program shown on TBS. Unless cable or satellite TV in Sao Paulo is beaming a lot of US networks into the area, I now find myself wondering just how the heck he knows about these subjects. If US cable is, in fact, beamed into Brazil, I withdraw the comment. - Lucky 6.9 19:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
I think an equally fair interpretation is "English not a first language / poor typing anyway." TNT has a Latin America-specific network (TNTLA); the website has a Portugese option so Brazil is definitely a recipient of that. Since I don't read Spanish or Portugese, I can't check this, but combining several US network feeds (that is, the Turner system) into one international station seems reasonable. Also, I think TBS frequently simulcasts their US signal in Spanish; it wouldn't be much of a stretch to get that into South America. Couple that with WB's extensive use of Brasil early on and I don't think there's a definitive case for misdirection here. — Lomn | Talk / RfC 20:29:33, 2005-09-02 (UTC)

Hi its me again, User:Lucky_6.9 I thank you for all your help and your kind words. Its getting late here but not to worry I just did three lines of prime Peruvian Flake and my mother and father are asleep for the night. I might call up some hookers to come over and party a bit. I feel much more lucid right now, my typing is improved and I feel calm, alert, ready to go!! If I could feel like this all the time I think I could write much more better on the Wikipedia article-space, as Lucky calls it. And like I told lucky, I'm writing on TV and movies in Argentina, Brasil, and the U.S.A. all that we get on satellite here at my parents house thank you! Well, I'll check back in later if the hookers dont come over thanks!Wiki brah 02:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC) Wiki_brah (talk · contribs)

  • That tears it. Unless this is ready for an RfA, I'm ready for a permanent ban. If it's appropriate at this point in time, I'd like to pull the plug. Any objections? - Lucky 6.9 02:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC)
    • And now this prime nonsense: HI Lucky 6 point 9 what is going on its me again!! I'm feeling just stupendous right now! I saw your comments and left you all a note of the Request for Comment page. I'm really really sorry about being sooo naughty and hope we can turn a new page in our lives and start over from the beginning. I'm feeling great and quite lively tonight!! Have a good ONE !!! :) Wiki brah 02:17, 3 September 2005 (UTC) Someone try telling me this isn't a troll while keeping a straight face. - Lucky 6.9 02:23, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Hi its me again hello good evning. I was in Rio de Janeiro with my father for a week and it was fun we had a nice place to satay and I lerned a blot I am thinking the writing is better for me when I can do a littel bit of something before I sit down it makes it betterWiki brah 01:25, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Outside view by McClenon

This is a very strange editor who clearly has some distinctive preoccupations including a preoccupation with defining very strange templates. The certifiers and endorsers of this Request for Comments / Request for Corrective Action have, as is usually the case in Wikipedia, been very patient with an editor who seems to mean well but is simply so bizarre that he has no concept of collaboration. He appears to be treating the Wikipedia as his private litterbox and leaving other editors to clean up his mess. I wish that I could see any evidence of real potential, but I don't. I wish that there were some alternative to simply keeping him out of here, but I don't see what it is.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Robert McClenon 10:37, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  2. Lucky 6.9 17:07, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  3. Soltak | Talk 18:58, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
  4. EDM 17:45, 11 September 2005 (UTC) This summary captures the essence of the user's problem very well and I'm joining it in light of WB's latest adornment to my Talk page.
  5. I agree. JesseW, the juggling janitor 22:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Outside view by Andrevan

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This is just a troll, and not a terribly good one. He should probably be blocked permanently.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Andre (talk) 04:13, September 5, 2005 (UTC)
  2. Hipocrite - «Talk» 20:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC) - though I think it needs to touch RFAr first...

[edit] Outside view by Redwolf24

This editor just keeps going and going, but he seems to be in good faith. For this reason, I do not believe in an indefinite block, unless he continues his behavior. I have given him a block expiring October 1. If he keeps up his shenanigans, he will get a two month block. If he keeps it up after that, THEN I believe we should indefinitely block him.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Redwolf24 (talk) 23:02, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  2. Yes. Good idea. JesseW, the juggling janitor 23:09, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  3. I agree with the staggered block system Redwolf24 has proposed. Ral315 23:13, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  4. Redwolf's approach is fine for now; if Wiki brah causes any more problems, however, I will endorse Andrevan's view. paul klenk 23:36, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  5. This seems like a measured and reasonable response. Keep an eye open for socks, though. Nandesuka 23:50, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
  6. I agree with this idea. However, as Paul Klenk stated, I may support Andrevan's view instead if Wiki Brah continues to cause trouble. Jaxl | talk 00:28, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
  7. Thanks for posting this--I thought I was the one out in left field when reviewing some of his edits ;-). Even if done in good faith, he should modify his behavior after being directed by more than one editor on more than one occasion (nicely) that his editing style is inappropriate and in violation of several Wiki-policies. I agree with Redwolf's approach as it shows that the collaborative community does mean this seriously. Though, I am afraid that it probably won't make any difference in the long run. A shame, truly. -Roby Wayne Talk • Hist 22:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
  8. Agreed. I can see what is making people angry about this guy, but I just find some of his changes hilarious. I don't agree that he's in good faith, but I'm keeping a smile on my face, and support your descision about the block. -Mysekurity (talk · contribs) 09:38, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
  9. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 06:40, 11 October 2005 (UTC) From what I've seen, the user seems to be acting in good faith.
  10. Mild support for this one. Linuxbeak | Talk 01:43, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Outside view by Tony Sidaway

Autism and wikipedia

There are two cases that concern me a lot because of the characteristics exhibited by the main editors involved.

Maoririder (talk · contribs), whose case has been accepted by the Arbitration committee and is still in the evidence phase, is not an obvious vandal or troll. He has made large numbers of vanishingly small stubs, some of which have grown into very impressive articles, and also asked intriguing, childlike, questions in an appropriate forum.

Wiki brah (talk · contribs), who has been subjected to many blocks from his earliest appearance in mid-August, has written articles that have been identified as "nonsense" by RC patrollers, but in a discussion with fellow administrators they tended to the opinion that the articles were acceptable newbie stubs and did not merit the vandalism warnings that they provoked:

  • 06:56, 14 August 2005 deleted "Keyboard dust bag" (content was: 'You might have seen this little dillio at the automatic repair garage or any other place where typist have dirty or greazy hands. This is the thinty...' (and the only contributor was 'Wiki brah'))


  • 06:55, 14 August 2005 deleted "Cellshell" (content was: 'this is that colored plastic pice that fits over your cell pohne. It changed its colors, see? These things are not all that populbar anymore with th...' (and the only contributor was 'Wiki brah'))
  • 06:50, 14 August 2005 deleted "Altimeter calibration knob" (content was: 'THIS is the small dial or knob on the console of an airplane that lets you adjust the altimeter to set the barometric pressure that is cruical to the ...' (and the only contributor was 'Wiki brah'))

For some time I have had a strong suspicion that Maoririder may be autistic. Wiki brah's contributions also fit the pattern.

The above reminds me of an early response to Maoririder:


  • "Those "bloody-nosed beetle" and "big-eyed bug" nanostubs are tantamount to vandalism. If you'd like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thanks."

While the stubs in question were indeed tiny, they were hardly vandalism. Big-eyed bug, for instance, read as follows:

It is a type of bug.
Template:Bug-stub


Today Wikipedia has coverage for both of those insects, mainly thanks to Maoririder's stubs and the good faith expansions performed by other editors.


Another of Maoririder's stubs was Portland High School. Later moved to "Portland High School, Portland, Maine" Maoririder's original stub read:

It is located in Portland, Maine
Template:Maine-stub

The article was listed on AfD four days after its creation. The article was expanded--the school, founded in 1821, turned out to be one of the first public high schools founded in the United States after the Revolution, and the article was expanded in a few minutes and, via a premature speedy delete or two, the result of the debate was keep, with only one vote to delete.

Now this isn't a deletionism-versus-inclusionism. Let us accept, for now, that it might be quite reasonable to delete very short stubs rather than expand them. No, this is about how the authors of articles that appear weird, but not obviously malicious, should be treated.

Both Maoririder and Wiki brah have been labelled, variously, trolls and vandals, although I do not see strong evidence to support either label.

Both of them have expressed a strong wish to produce work for Wikipedia. Both of them produce articles that appear weird to non-autists. In my opinion, neither represents a threat to Wikipedia commensurate to the treatment they have received.

In my opinion, the world's first encyclopedia that anyone can edit should not continue knowingly to alienate, abuse and reject autists. We need a policy that enables autists to be identified early and welcomed in an appropriate manner so that, whenever possible, they can produce valuable work for Wikipedia. Don't bite the newbies applies in spades for people with special needs.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Tony SidawayTalk 06:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  2. Y0u (Y0ur talk page) (Y0ur contributions) 06:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)Agreed. Since this doesn't seem to be the first time this has happened, this should be generally addressed somewhere.
  3. Kappa 07:01, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  4. David Gerard 08:49, 11 October 2005 (UTC) This isn't your common vandal or troublemaker. While appreciating that RC/newpages patrollers see more crap than anyone who hasn't done it would believe, this is a time to step back and think hard about what's going on here.
  5. Secretlondon 20:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC) We've had autistics before see User:AlexPlank and the surrounding history. Secretlondon 20:27, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
  6. Classic Autistic. Spankthecrumpet 23:32, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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