Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User names/Mohamad ali

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the username below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the discussion's talk page). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was consensus to allow HighInBC(Need help? Ask me) 02:20, 5 April 2007 (UTC)  [view]

[edit] Mohamad ali (talk · contribs)

Muhammad Ali is a living person, clearly inappropriate--172.165.131.215 17:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Disallow - per nom. Living person. Open/shut case. Patstuarttalk·edits 17:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - these are two of the most common names in the world. A userpage disambig might be helpful, though. RJASE1 Talk 17:37, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Would you then allow User:George Bush under the same reasoning? Patstuarttalk·edits 17:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - Per RJASE1. TortureIsWrong 17:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Would you then allow User:George Bush under the same reasoning? Patstuarttalk·edits 17:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I think a more appropriate question would be would you allow gorge bush, or some name spelled ismilary to George? -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • I think if the user makes it clear on their userpage they are not actually that person, but someone with the same name, policy should allow it - kind of a gray area though. RJASE1 Talk 17:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
        • Hmm, how about User:GeorgeBusch ? (see [1]) Shenme 00:40, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow - I agree with Rjase. Also, the names are spelled differently. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 17:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow per RJASE. Just too common. Mangojuicetalk 17:47, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment: those not understanding how common this name is may wish to check out Muhammad Ali (disambiguation): those are just the people of this name notable enough for Wikipedia articles. When a name is this common, I think the typical reaction would be "it's someone also named Mohamad Ali," not "this is THE Muhammad Ali, the boxer - who else would use that name?" So, impersonation is not a big concern, unless the user starts acting like they are one of the famous people with this name. Mangojuicetalk 19:53, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow as it is a common name and the mispelling undoes any possible issue that may have arisen. G Donato (talk to me...) 17:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • I agree that it's a bit of a gray area but think we should allow it for all the reasons given above. A hatnote would be greatly appreciated. —bbatsell ¿? ✍ 17:56, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow As has been mentioned, this is a combination of two exceedingly common names. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:12, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Weak Disallow - Although these are common names, I don't like the hairsplitting above over the incorrect spelling of the name. What matters is how the name will be interpreted by readers. (Plus, bear in mind that the names' origins are in transliterations from Arabic, so they can be spelled various different ways in the Roman alphabet.) As such, I consider this to be in violation of the spirit of the "name of a well-known living or recently deceased person" clause of WP:U, even if it doesn't violate the letter of said rule. Walton Vivat Regina! 18:26, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow-Per Walton. --TeckWiz Parlate Contribs@(Lets go Yankees!) 18:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow; two very common names put together are bound to be shared by more than one person. If this is inappropriate we're going to have to disallow John Walker, Anna Smith, etc... I bet there's more than 50 million people with one or the other of these names, and at least 1 million with both of them. Be fair. Picaroon 18:44, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • As I pointed out in my example below, Mike (or Michael) and Fox are both common western names, and the username was disallowed based on the same policy. Why is this one different? Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 18:50, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Because that wasn't just "Mike Fox" it was User:Mike J FOX. Mangojuicetalk 19:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • The point I was making is Mike J Fox, a potentially common name, was disallowed. The argument that this should be allowed because it is a common name is deviation from consistency. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 19:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • But the "J" makes a big difference: it's not Michael Fox or Michael James Fox that's famous, it's Michael J. Fox with that prominent middle initial. If the name had been User:Mike Fox I don't think anyone would have even brought up the issue... and if they had, the name should have been allowed as common and not implying a connection with the famous person. Mangojuicetalk 20:01, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • So, let me get this straight. Mohamad Ali, a common misspelling/alternate spelling of Muhammad Ali is different than Mike J. Fox being a common misspelling/alternate spelling of Michael J. Fox. Even though Mike J. Fox is not said the same way as Michael J. Fox, but Mohamad Ali is said the same way as Muhammad Ali. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 20:13, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
      • Please stop making this unreasonable comparisons. I don't think you understand how common these names are. Picaroon 00:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow WP:U does prohibit the names of living persons, especially celebrities. Whether the misspelling is intentional as an attempt to find the borderline, or if it is the actual persons name is a moot point, just in the same way that if there was a Mike J. Fox who registered, which may be his real name, it was disallowed. Cascadia TALK| HISTORY 18:45, 4 April 2007 (UTC) (EC)
  • Allow. It is the name of several living people. It is also the name of several long-dead people who, outside the sporting world, are even more famous. And, as stated above, the names "Muhammed" and "Ali", variously spelled, are each very common. I don't thin this qualifies as impersonation. Coemgenus 18:48, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment. I think Coemgenus hit the nail on the head - the purpose of this policy is to prevent impersonation, IMHO. RJASE1 Talk 18:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Disallow impersonation of a famous boxer. Wooyi 18:52, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • For what it's worth Mohmad Ali was approved with no dissent in January. [2] TortureIsWrong 18:54, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
    • Impersonation of famous boxer? Please assume good faith. Picaroon 00:46, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow; as has been pointed out a number of times, it's a common name, and there are no grounds to accuse the User of impersonation. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 21:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow as different enough from Muhammad Ali; we don't have a redirect from "Mohamad ali", for instance. But how much different does the next "Mohamad ali" have to be to work within the rules? I'm confused about name 'collisions' (one reason I don't use my name, there's at least 10 people in the world with same first/last name - I've met one (and immediately disagreed with him on future serious of the disease Tuberculosis (hmm, twins?))) Shenme 22:39, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
  • Allow: We've had this issue before; see Archived WP:RFC/NAME on "Mohmad Ali" (allowed). -- Ben TALK/HIST 02:07, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
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