Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Rienzo

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

This is a summary written by users who dispute this user's conduct.

  • Description:

User makes personal attacks.

  • Evidence of disputed behavior (provide diffs and links):
  1. Disgusting anti-gay comments on User talk:RickK
  2. Rienzo's Contributions page
  3. anti-gay comments on User talk:TheCustomOfLife
  4. personal attack
  5. more anti-gay comments
  6. personal attacks on his own talk page
  7. Developer Tim Starling has sustantiated that this is the same user as User:NahChyps, who was responsible for anti-gay comments on User Marcus2's User talk page and anti-gay vandalism of User:Marcus2's User page
  • Applicable policies:
  1. Wikipedia:No personal attacks
  • Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute (provide diffs and links):
  1. User talk:Rienzo
  2. User talk:TheCustomOfLife
  3. User talk:Marcus2
  4. User talk:Fredrik
  5. User talk:Morwen
  • Users certifying the basis for this dispute (sign with ~~~~):
  1. RickK 04:41, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
  2. Fredrik | talk 11:40, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  3. Marcus2 | talk 12:27, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  4. Mike H 15:02, Jun 30, 2004 (UTC)
  5. 172 01:07, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Other users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):
  1. Tuomas 06:47, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  2. Morwen - Talk 08:08, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  3. Guanaco 17:28, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  4. blankfaze | •• | •• 20:55, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  5. Neutrality 01:25, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  6. Stormie 05:48, Jul 5, 2004 (UTC)
  7. David Gerard 12:42, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  8. CheeseDreams 23:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  • I would like to add further evidence.
  • I have reason to believe this user is also the following sock puppets
  • 148.136.141.172 (swedish IP) which makes anti-gay vandalism
  • Piglet (swedish) makes personal attacks (including using a phrase also used by the above)
  • Lady Tara (first use was swedish wikipedia) makes anti-gay personal attacks
  • Baffinisland anti-gay vandalism
evidence submitted by CheeseDreams 23:55, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Odd, is it not--the same handful of bad apples seem to enjoy making trouble with everyone. Power tends to corrupt172.130.99.47 22:57, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Response

This is a summary written by the user whose conduct is disputed, or by other users who think that the dispute is unjustified and that the above summary is biased or incomplete.

This is simply NOT true! Where is the evidence for this? How come I and this NahChips-character have different IP's?

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Rienzo 22:22, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  2. 68.36.175.254 02:54, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Outside view

This is a summary written by users not directly involved with the dispute but who would like to add an outside view of the dispute.

Regarding the evidence of the disputed behavior cited above:

  • Points 3 and 4 are in poor taste, but would not be particularly serious offenses by themselves.
  • Point 5 is simply a legitimate challenge to the content of Category:Gay icons (although it is mistaken, because the category includes people like Ellen DeGeneres and Liberace). This point is not evidence of anything improper.
  • However, Point 1 is evidence of behavior that is absolutely inappropriate, and consistent with the comments of NahChyps (who was justifiably blocked for vandalism).

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Michael Snow 17:53, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
  2. 68.36.175.254 02:55, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

He can say whatever he wants, as per our country's Constitution. 68.36.175.254 02:56, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)

  • True, he can. But here at Wikipedia we demand a certain level of courtesy, good manners, and tolerance from our contributors. Rienzo can say whatever he wants. But what he has to say is hateful and bigoted, and we don't have to let him say that garbage here. blankfaze | •• | •• 17:24, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Fair enough, but take it from one who has been victimized here: I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger. I don't agree with his views that the lifestyle of gays is "unethical"; still I support him for standing up for himself. Hyacinth can be incredibly demeaning and abusive. Even the most open-minded of people can be forced to sink to a low level where they have to be incredibly offensive to get their point across, especially here, in a place where opposing views are so routinely censored. This "Communist" project is rapidly following the lead of the U.S.S.R., Germany, and China before it--Communism, without a core group of good, honest people, always becomes fascism. The transformation here is well underway. If someone was smart, they'd download and save the entire encyclopedia, so that civilization can still access the info before it's made into a pay site. Hopefully, someday, a genuinely Socialist project will come along and replace the self-destructing Wikipedia, and its saved info could be used to jump-start the new, better common-property encyclopedia.172.130.99.47 22:53, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
"I'm sure Rienzo was sufficiently pushed to lash out in anger."
There is no excuse for the things he has said. Bottom line. No excuse. blankfaze | •• | •• 23:05, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
(In response to disruptive comments by an anonymous user that have been removed)
Rienzo sure as hell hasn't put more work into this project than I have. And he damn sure hasn't put in more work than Rick or David especially. You're deluded, my friend. blankfaze | •• | •• 00:26, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • FWIW, I just got an email from Rienzo (I was one of the admins who blocked him for abusiveness) where he states "I am truly sorry for the rude comments I have made, and I hope to be unblocked soon. I will never commit these violations again." - David Gerard 12:46, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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