Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Hamsacharya dan

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

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[edit] Description

User:Hamsacharya dan is a devotee of Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. He has for a long time resisted efforts to nPOV that article. While I ceased editing that article some time ago because his constant edit warring and reverting made it impossible to make any progess. He has been blocked twice for violating WP:3RR. My trouble with him has recurred on the article Gurunath. Originally a redirect to his guru's page, even though the name is common in India and it is also used as a title. I posted this on RfD and was advised to write an article about the name and title and did so. Since then, User:Hamsacharya dan has first tried to get it delete via the AfD process, and has now taken to removing the cited section approved during the AfD process. He also keeps restoring uncited information added by a third user which I removed to the talk page asking for WP:VERIFY to be satisfied. Another frequent behaviour is warring over NPOV and other tags. If a tag is added to an article he is protecting, he will either remove it without comment, or put an NPOV tag an article the other editor has been working on in retaliation. Retaliatory edits are a general and frequent theme with this editor. Another tactic is privacy violation, identifying me by a previous username I abandoned under m:Right to vanish and repeatedly redirecting my old userpage to point at my new one; wikistalking, incivility (especially in edit comments). —Hanuman Das, 05:48, 30 April 2006

I should like to add my own observations if that is permissable. I have been observing the behavior of both User:Hanuman Das and User:Hamsacharya dan throughout this dispute. The primary difference is that User:Hanuman Das usually attempts to discuss what he is doing on the article talk page (as do I). User:Hamsacharya dan usually does not respond to discussion on the talk page. He also requested mediation (from User:Fire Star and User:Sam Spade) on Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. However, after both mediators approved a "conflicting views" section as neutral and properly cited, User:Hamsacharya dan refused to accept the mediation and continued to repeatedly remove or radically alter the section. Here are the two approvals of the artciles by the mods: [1] and [2]. In general, Hamsacharya dan makes undiscussed, large, arbitrary changes to any other POV than his own. He tends not to discuss, and when he does make an appearance on a talk page, he variously lectures, wikilawyers, rants, etc. but does not seem open to the other editors ideas or interested in a good faith discussion and seems to have no desire to compromise in any way. He has done this to me as well as to other users. ---Baba Louis 22:49, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

In my view the problem is and has been a lack of discussion on desputed points by User:Hamsacharya dan. This has been carried to an extreme. If I offer a view which conflicts with his POV, he accuses me of being a part of some form of conspiracy. In an effort to minimize an editing war or conflict I have not edited for some period. Instead, I have attempted to discuss on the talk page of disputed articles. This has been largely futile as little has been discussed, but my own views are summarily dismissed or ignored. I don't think this is correct or helpful to the articles in question. I am not a part of any "conspiracy", nor do I have an agenda beyond improving a few articles which I feel I have the knowledge to improve on point. I feel strongly that User:Hamsacharya dan fails to discuss in good faith and seems to have no interest in compromise or working with others. As far as I am aware, this is in conflict with the operating procedures of Wikipedia. Due to this I am writing here in hope that this behavior might be corrected by due process. --Chai Walla 06:19, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. repeatedly removing cited material from Gurunath: 22:44, 29 April 2006, 00:11, 30 April 2006, 01:31, 30 April 2006
  2. restoring uncited material to Gurunath: 22:46, 29 April 2006
  3. direct and explicit admission of retaliatory editing: [3]
  4. inappropriate NPOV tag warring on Gurunath: 20:45, 26 April 2006, 23:53, 26 April 2006, 19:54, 27 April 2006, 21:26, 27 April 2006
  5. other undiscussed reverts on Gurunath: 20:01, 29 April 2006
  6. repeatedly removing cited material approved by mediation from Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath: 23:47, 16 March 2006, 00:03, 17 March 2006, 00:59, 17 March 2006, 02:43, 17 March 2006, 03:42, 19 March 2006, 18:42, 20 March 2006, 11:44, 25 March 2006, 13:17, 2 April 2006, 14:49, 2 April 2006, 15:30, 11 April 2006, 11:53, 14 April 2006, 14:24, 14 April 2006, 13:37, 15 April 2006, 01:12, 16 April 2006, 12:52, 16 April 2006, 23:27, 16 April 2006
  7. warring over NPOV tags in Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath: 12:52, 16 April 2006, 14:04, 24 April 2006, 20:47, 26 April 2006, 20:14, 27 April 2006
  8. Retaliatory tags and edits in Nath article: 14:43, 2 April 2006, 23:14, 2 April 2006, 23:24, 2 April 2006, 23:47, 2 April 2006
  9. Retaliatory addition of previously rejected uncited material to Nath article: 21:06, 26 April 2006, 12:17, 27 April 2006
  10. Interference with AfD processes (removal of comments, moving own votes/comments to top): 13:27, 3 April 2006, 13:37, 3 April 2006, 14:09, 3 April 2006, 14:31, 3 April 2006, 14:40, 3 April 2006, 15:48, 14 April 2006, 15:36, 25 April 2006, 20:45, 9 May 2006
  11. Retaliation by means of Privacy violations: [4], [5], [6]
  12. Arbitrarily reverts to "his" version of Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath a couple days after consensus version from discussion on talk page is finished: [7], [8]
  13. Incivility in edit comments: [9], [10], [11], [12], [13], [14]
  14. Retaliatory AdD nomination: [15], debate archive 1, [16], debate archive 2
  15. Additional reverts since this RfC was opened (continued from #6): 08:01, 1 May 2006, 14:16, 1 May 2006, 11:03, 2 May 2006, 11:09, 2 May 2006, 11:16, 2 May 2006, 01:04, 4 May 2006
  16. continuing incivility: 20:57, 1 May 2006, 21:48, 1 May 2006, 21:43, 1 May 2006, 22:22, 1 May 2006, 22:26, 1 May 2006, 21:26, 2 May 2006, 10:58, 4 May 2006 (uncivil edit comment)
  17. continuing to make changes to mediator-approved material without discussion, completely debasing section: 22:03, 1 May 2006, 22:06, 1 May 2006, 22:07, 1 May 2006, 22:07, 1 May 2006, 22:11, 1 May 2006, 22:12, 1 May 2006, 22:13, 1 May 2006, 22:16, 1 May 2006, 22:21, 1 May 2006, 03:36, 4 May 2006
  18. Retaliation by filing a patently false 3RR complaint: [17]
  19. Retaliatory page moves (incorrectly done): [18], [19]
  20. Removal of comments on RfC pages: [20]
  21. repeatedly redirecting a page speedily kept in AfD and undergoing a survey for a requested move: [21], [22], [23]

[edit] Applicable policies and guidelines

{list the policies and guidelines that apply to the disputed conduct}

  1. WP:CON
  2. WP:STALK
  3. WP:POINT
  4. WP:DISRUPT
  5. WP:VERIFY
  6. WP:3RR
  7. Wikipedia:Conflict of interest
Specifically, as posted (link to section) on the conflict of interest noticeboard, Hamsacharya dan is "the sole contact person in charge of media relations for Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath and his organisation." — Athænara ✉ 07:20, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. diff, link1, link2
  2. diff, [24], link
  3. [25], [26]
  4. efforts by Cott12
  5. attempt to resolve incivility issue by Computerjoe
  6. attempts at resolution by Priyanath: [27], [28], [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37], [38], [39]
  7. resolution attempts by User:Baba Louis: [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49]a
  8. more resolution attempts by Baba Louis: [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55], [56], [57], [58]
  9. long history of attempts by Hanuman Das to educate Hamsacharya dan on WP policies and processes: [59], [60], [61], [62], [63], [64], [65], [66], [67], [68], [69], [70], [71], [72], [73], [74], [75], [76], [77], [78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83], [84], [85], [86], [87], [88], [89], [90], [91]
  10. by Chai Walla: [92], [93], [94], [95], [96], [97], [98], [99], [100], [101], [102], [103], [104], [105], [106], [107]

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

  1. Hanuman Das 06:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC) / 66.68.112.85 01:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
  2. Computerjoe's talk 11:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  3. ॐ Priyanath 15:29, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

  1. Watchtower Sentinel 21:37, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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This is a dispute between two points of view. I offered several times to work together with him (as well as with his other sockpuppets), but he never complied despite promising to do so. Hanuman Das (talk · contribs) is a devotee and true believer of his Guru Shri Gurudev Mahendranath. He is guarding pages that relate to his Guru from any other material (Nath, Gurunath), and has even gone so far as to verbally threaten me with violence if I continued to add information (by finding my telephone number online). He has created a legion of sockpuppets to promulgate his views and to attack others' views. [108]. He had also resorted to attacking pages of my own creation such as Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath in order to dissuade me from trying to add pertinent information to the other articles. I had been blocked for 3RR because I refused to let him and his sockpuppets keep trashing this page. He and his sockpuppets had also been blocked for 3RR on at least 2 occasions. I would like to say that ALL of the behavior that he is accusing me of, he himself indulged in, as well as his sockpuppets, FREQUENTLY. He says that he has stopped editing the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath page, but he has not as his sockpuppets are still quite active. He still refuses to be reasonable, saying one thing, and doing quite another. His actions speak louder than his words. Hamsacharya dan 18:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

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