Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Darkcat21

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1 Statement of the dispute
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3 Outside view
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[edit] Statement of the dispute

Darkcat21 has been engaging in revert wars in X Japan-related articles, along with adding and re-adding information that is unsourced or has an unreliable source. The user has also made accusations of racism and threated to recreate articles if deleted via AfD for being unverifiable.

[edit] Desired outcome

For the user to not treat fundamental Wikipedia principles (such as verifiability and consensus) as if they were a nuisance and act in accordance with them in the future.

[edit] Description

The user has removed {{cn}} tags from unverified/unverifiable information and reinserted original research/unsourced information upon its removal. The user's response to those who disagree has included personal attacks and statements about recreating articles despite significant evidence that they are unverifiable.

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

(Some of the edits are by an anonymous IP, which the user stated was edits being made from school.)

indirectly threatening to recreate material if deleted by AfD
threatening to recreate material if deleted by AfD (from a different IP, changing the signature here)
misrepresenting the situation
reinserting unsourced information
reinserting original research
removal of cn tags [1], [2]
breaking 3RR [3], [4], [5], [6]
accusations of racism [7], [8]
uncivil behavior towards a newcomer
adding content based on disputed and not immediately verifiable sources [9]
subsequent edit warring [10], [11]

List last updated on February 14, 02:56 UTC.

[edit] Applicable policies and guidelines

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

ShadowHalo
Cyrus XIII [12] [13]
Athaenara (here and here)

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[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

Amark moo! 05:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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(originally posted to talk page - ShadowHalo 07:44, 26 January 2007 (UTC))

Here i go:

indirectly threatening to recreate material if deleted by AfD

Ok, with that I wanted to say that I (or someone else) will create the article again, but just looking at his solo carrers, his works with Moi Dix Mois (you can check at their official site that Jun worked with them), as a Japanese musician, a guitarist, composer and former member of six japanese bands, I'll avoid the words "X Japan" but if it's finally removed, I'll create it another time, but avoiding X Japan (not Japan X).

threatening to recreate material if deleted by AfD (from a different IP, changing the signature

Cyrus XIII knows a lot about Japanese music, he may know that lot of indie acts create their own website and host it in free servers (or they create their Myspace acount), and then official sites like Yahoo and this stuff links also, because it's official.

misrepresenting the situation

Please if you can, do one thing, it's gonna be just few seconds. Go to Jun's official site (the one in GeoCities), then go the links section, and click in any one of that links, they're most of all all official sites from japanese acts, the in that official sites, click ion the link section also, and you'll see that they're linking to the GeoCities webiste, wow! if it's not official, why linking it?, tell me, why? Or, simpyl go to Fernandes guitar official webpage and check Jun =D.

reinserting unsourced information

Well, first of all, I was the one that removed the info, why did you avoid to tell this? Then, when I removed the unsourced information, Cyrus created a new version (replacing copyrighted images for free images, you didn't avoid this?) and the new version contained some really nice sources, then I took what I removed and I added it again to the article. Why? Because the info that Cyrus added with sources was just a summarize of what I removed, so I reverted my edits but with the intention of adding the sources that Cyrus have posted: example another example and an example thay Cyrus also do this

reinserting original research

Hahaha, really funny guys, first I was not the one that added that info, then is there any rule here that says that in an article about a song we cannot add info about the song? Please, listen that song and then tell me if it's not truth, I'll not give a link because it's illegal, but why removing that? Look this, do I have to delete this also? I don't think so.

Hehe, that was just an error I made and seconds after it was done I reverted the edits, I'm the same the ones that add the cn tags and the one that remove it. The the second one, I was the same also, I was not the same, but look, that in the Jealousy album there's compositions of all the members, it's truth, go to official sites and check this (or at wiki articles created by Cyrus), you'll see for example: Joker composed by hide and released in Jealousy album, Desperate Angel composed by Taiji and released in Jealousy album, White Wind composed by Pata and released in Jealousy album, etc. And the second cn tag, weel you can see that Taiji left the band after that album.

breaking 3RR [14], [15], [16], [17]

Ok.

accusation of racism

Haha, ok I did something bad, but why I did it? Mm, probably because Cyrus was deleting official sources in languages that (S)HE don't understand, I said that to an administrator in the Spanish Wikipedia, and he told me the same that that was rascism, If someone doesn't understand the source don't delete it, X Japan is a JAPANESE so it's really difficult to find sources in Englsh when they never played at the western world, so most of the official sites are in Japanese. And the second link about rascism is the same. Take Care.

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Darkcat21 14:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

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