Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cool Cat

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[edit] Statement of the dispute

User:Cool Cat has repeatedly violated WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF in his interactions with User:AKMask. Aside from rude behavior in general, he has made harrassing statements and multiple allegations of sockpuppetry, accused User:AKMask of stalking, and then removed an Administrator's closing of the discussion.

[edit] Description

Cool Cat has accused me, in no paticular order, of being User:MARMOT, User:Davenbelle, Just zis Guy you know?, BryanG, Admrb♉ltz, and TBC. These allegations stem from the fact that we have shared three votes, a very, very minor percentage of all my WP namespace votes. In addition, when I nominated several stubs for deletion, with the intent that they be merged back into a common list, he made harrassing statements on my talkpage, informing me that he "will remeber (sic) this incident, and I can assure you the memories will not be pleasent." Cool Cat openly admits violating WP:AGF with the statement "I do not assume good faith when stalked." He also had not intended to even tell me he was accusing me of stalking, telling the user who did let me know "Thank you for notifying AKMask you saved me the trobble (sic). Know that notifying him was always optional." He admitted to being very frustrated in the AN/I discussion of my supposed stalking, and I advised he take a wikibreak to avoid getting upset to the point of leaving the project (my main goal with WP:MAN) to which he made a personal attack with "I find this most insightful. You act like a dick and annoy people then suggest they take a wikibreak. Seems like you got this all worked out. Except it wont work." After an Administrator informed Cool Cat that the accusations were baseless he responded quite inappropriatly, implying that he did not consider any vote where he was a participant one that I should be allowed to partake in as well- "I have no intention of letting this nonsense continue, I do not like seeing the same person on votes I participate in the opposing corner."

[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior

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  1. [1] Acusations of Sockpuppety
  2. [2] More sockpuppetry allegations
  3. [3] Admitting to WP:AGF violations
  4. [4] Cool Cat admitting to WP:AGF violations
  5. [5] WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF violations
  6. [6] WP:AGF violation
  7. [7] Cool Cat reversing an Admin's closing of the discussion

[edit] Applicable policies

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WP:CIVIL
WP:AGF

[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

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  1. [8] User:robchurch asking Cool Cat to back off, comment was deleted.
  2. [9] User:AKMask warning Cool Cat, comment was ignored.

[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

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  1. Mask 18:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. Rob Church 18:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  3. Ban me indefinately --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Other users who endorse this summary

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  1. FreplySpang (talk) 19:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. --Fuzzie (talk) 19:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
  3. --Terence Ong 09:28, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  4. Batmanand | Talk 21:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  5. Darth Deskana (talk page) 09:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

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I refuse to defend myself as I am pleading guilty. I also demand capital punishment.

And for the record I only accused you of being a suspected sockpuppet of User:MARMOT, User:Davenbelle and merely requested a check.

  • Marmot spent the time to find a wikipedia vunrablility to just to get me blocked. User:Brion VIBBER/Cool Cat incident report. Also see Category:Imposters of Cool Cat. Marmots hostility is understandable, I had a bot detecting his vandalism. To bad I am not allowed to run my bot anymore on en.wiki. Well i learnt a lesson. I shall never do open source code again. Curse me for my good faith.
  • Davenbelle on the otherhand dedicated his entier contribution in stalking me. To the point of practicaly opposing on every page move vote and afd to requested name changes. Also revert warred even on my talk page removing my comments.

I refuse to believe with that level of determination they simply left me alone.

So I do not want to live with the stalking nonsense again. Just block me forever and everyone esspecialy RobChurch will be extatic.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. --Cool CatTalk|@ 19:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Outside view

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[edit] Outside view by Elkman

First of all, this is a request for comments, not a request for arbitration. Therefore, Cool Cat's requests above ("Ban me indefinitely," "I also demand capital punishment," and "Just block me forever and everyone ... will be extatic.") are unrealistic for an RfC. Besides, it smacks of martyrdom, and that isn't a real solution to this problem.

To address the specifics of this RfC: I understand that Cool Cat has had some problems in the past with being harassed by User:MARMOT, per User:Brion VIBBER/Cool Cat incident report. However, that frustration doesn't justify accusing User:AKMask of being a sockpuppet of MARMOT, or anyone else. A quick look at User:AKMask's editing history shows that he's doing a pretty fair amount of vandal fighting, voting in AfDs, and editing of Star Trek articles. Since those last two seem to be a sticking point in this discussion, I'll add that the Star Trek edits appear to be a shared interest, and I don't see any real irregular pattern of voting. One AfD stands out: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Various unseen or stub Star Trek Classes. Most of the other voters (who are regular participants in AfD) voted to merge the page, but Cool Cat wanted to keep it as is -- and got pretty upset about it. In fact, the only other AfD where I saw both User:AKMask and User:Cool Cat in the same AfD was Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Turkish Kurdistan, and that debate is quite heated right now.

I would suggest that Cool Cat do as his username suggests, and try to keep his cool. I would also echo User:AKMask's suggestion and take a Wikibreak, because his frustration is becoming apparent -- and rather disruptive, too.

As far as User:robchurch is concerned: This note to Cool Cat is rather heavy-handed ("I anticipate the latter, although I wouldn't mind a shock."). Also, the reply on WP:AN/I ("Quite right. We're all out to get you. It's a massive conspiracy, and we're all in it. Face it, the Cabal wants you out of here. Grow up.") was pretty inflammatory, and it doesn't help to be inflammatory toward someone who's already inflamed. (Is that a word?) Again, I can see where frustration would influence someone to take a tone like that, but it really doesn't spread the love.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I should really have created Wabasha Street Bridge this evening.

Users who endorse this summary (sign with ~~~~):

  1. Elkman - (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  2. Quite. Both parties need to cool off, and while robchurches defense was perhaps expected it was very concieted and unacceptable in light of civilty. That is certainly not the way to dissolve a dispute. -ZeroTalk 18:28, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
  3. per Megaman Zero. Computerjoe's talk 06:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
  4. (except for the part about the bridge) -Colin Kimbrell 20:06, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  5. Batmanand. I agree with pretty much everything you say, although I think that, whilst Cool Cat is clearly agitated, his seeming inability to even try to assume good faith is very unfortunate. 21:18, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
  6. Darth Deskana (talk page) 09:10, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  7. Woggly 12:08, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
  8. Agreed. I respect Cool Cat, but I think he should just learn to take a breath and think before putting his foot in his mouth. --D-Day(Wouldn't you like to be a pepper too?) 21:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

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