Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Assault11
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[edit] Statement of the dispute
Disruptive editing at template:History of Manchuria
[edit] Desired outcome
Not sure yet.
[edit] Description
Disruptive editing: After an extensive edit war on Goguryeo, one issue being whether or not template:History of China should be included in the article, a compromise was reached by majority of concerned editors to create a template:History of Manchuria in its stead.[1] Due to this consensus, the template was created. This is the original version, titled "History of Manchuria": [2][3] Then Assault11 started adding Dongbei, the Chinese name for Northeast China. This has caused contentions with User:Whlee, so AQu01rius proposed a compromise.[4] Assault11 rejected this compromise, and again made a slightly modified version, replacing Dongbei with its English name, Northeast China.[5] Then he kept edit warring to keep his preffered version, until he made a further POV version that replaced Manchuria with Northeast China as the primary definition.[6] He then again started reverting the template to this version[7] that entirely replaces Manchuria with Northeast China until a protection was set in place with this version.[8] After unprotection, Assault11 once again kept changing the version to his preferred version that entirely replaces Manchuria with Northeast China.[9] After some edit warring with multiple users, User:Nlu has proposed this compromise[10] addressing concerns of another user. Then Assault11 started reverting this to this version[11], claiming that the most common name is Northeast China.
Myself and many other users before me have pointed out that Manchuria is the most common usage in the English language and Northeast China is a sinocentric(Chinese POV) term. Assault11 continued to deny this, so I filed a RfC on this matter.[12] It was able to get only one RfC from an editor who's not involved, which was in favor of using Manchuria.[13] Assault11 continued to argue against this, and kept reverting the template to his preferred version.[14] So in hopes of getting more outside opinions involved, and progressing through the dispute resolution process, I requested a Wikipedia:Third Opinion.[15] This time, this dispute was able to get more attention from outside editors, four new editors not involved in the dispute providing their third opinions.[16][17] Again, all four editors favored Manchuria. Meanwhile, a survey also took place, and the majority consensus was in favor of Manchuria.[18] Still, after both Third Opinion and the survey weighing in for Manchuria, Assault11 continued to revert to his preferred version.[19] Then, I filed for a mediation[20], and notified Assault11 on his talkpage.[21] Even after personal notification, Assault11 ignored the request for mediation and went on reverting the template to his preferred version.[22] Cydevil38 15:04, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Evidence of disputed behavior
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[edit] Applicable policies and guidelines
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[edit] Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute
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[edit] Users certifying the basis for this dispute
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- Cydevil38 15:21, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- With the reservation that I don't believe that this is a matter with just a single party -- although Assault11's conduct is probably the most culpable in this messy dispute. --Nlu (talk) 15:42, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- I got an e-mail from Cydevil38 notifying me of this Rfc. I myself took part in the dispute, and I agree w/ what Cydevil38 has to say. Wikimachine 00:49, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I'm displeased with Assault's reluctance to compromise. Good friend100 11:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I can understand what you mean, i am partially agree with what you said above, but i don't know how to solve the problem. I was occasionally involved in revert edit war with him but now i prefer focusing my effort on working on other articles related with that part of Asia so as to bring significant contribution instated of fruitless revert edit war.Whlee 12:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- By principle, changes by one person, without the input or considersations from others, is a practice we should discourage here on wiki. We should dispassionately evaluate Assault's behavior and see if it's been consistant with behavior that is fair. WangKon936 17:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
- I agree that there is a problem, and the behavior represented by Assault11 is not assisiting in comfortable editing environment. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 03:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] Response
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[edit] Outside view
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Disputes have always existed between Assault11 (talk · contribs) & Cydevil38 (talk · contribs) (formerly Cydevil (talk · contribs)) causing disruption all over the place. So it is inconceivable to review one without reviewing the other. This RfC only faults Assault11, but BOTH editors have had spurs of incivility and failure to cooperate, as this edit by Cydevil shows. I think it is best to force them both to pursue WP:DR.
The biggest disputes have always stemmed from Talk:Goguryeo, although there are many related articles. And we have an ongoing RfM at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Goguryeo to cover that, albeit currently put on hold. I believe we first need to force them to go back to this ongoing mediation rather than pursue the other peripheral issues.Removed, as the RfM is now closed.
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- Endroit 16:57, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
- Cydevil was a little more active in contacting admins and trying for mediation, but both users were at fault. I'd have to say I agree with this one. bibliomaniac15 BUY NOW! 19:45, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
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