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[edit] Dispute 1

Virtually every aspect of the Asian fetish page is under dispute. The page survived a Request for deletion on December 25, 2005, but was the subject of much vandalism until semi-protected. There is running edit warring over a section on Sex Crimes due to Asian fetish, as well as arguments about lack of citations or the propriety of various citations (mostly whether they are primary or secondary sources). A proposal has been made to split the article to address the issues, but it has not garnered much support among the partisans.

[edit] Position 1

There are several problems with the article:

• The article cites primary sources, repeats the POV of various interest groups, and contains significant sections that are not verifiable.
  • The open section contains the sentence "Some regard the notion as a form of racist love and/or an expression of white supremacy" and supports this with a citation of site http://www.asiafinest.com.
  • The same section contains the sentence "The contrary position is that the term "Asian fetishist" is a racist stereotype of white males" supported by http://www.asiawhite.org.
  • Also, "...those who use the term treat all cases of sexual attraction as objectification or fetishism to some degree, and are sometimes accused of being angry Asian men" cited to http://www.asianweek.com
  • The text notes the concept of "racist love" and provides a citation to http://www.modelminority.com , an Asian-American special-interest site.
• The "Sex Crimes" section of the article is routinely reverted (by one or two editros) to a non-encyclopedic list of anecdotal examples of sex crimes against Asian women, without evidence of a link to more pervasive "Asian fetishism". In more recent versions, it uses primary sources to provide citations.
  • One citation is to http://www.asianweek.com
  • Another citation, to a Yale student newspaper, merely quotes a special-interest group: http://www.yaledailynews.com/article.asp?AID=29233
  • Here is a partial list of recent reversions of the section in question:
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40983561
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40949515
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40945164
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40924855
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40882925
    • http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Asian_fetish&oldid=40716174

• The article combines a potentially encyclopedic discussion of a literary/philosophical theory (that probably belongs in Racial fetishism) with a discussion of the term "Asian fetish" as a pop-culture stereotype and slur. This leads not a false sense of academic support for a special-interest discussion. This is discussed here: Talk:Asian_fetish#POV.2C_Meta-POV_.26_A_proposal.

• Some editors have even edited the "terminology section", replacing a dictionary definition with one essential made-up to fill a particular POV [1].

• As a result of these and other problems, the page is the subject of numerous edit wars, and at least one 3RR violation: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RR#User:Wzhao553

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1. Written by Gnetwerker 08:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

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